What connect rate do you see Kovalev getting against Ward?

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  • KingHippo
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    #21
    Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop
    I was favoring Ward in this one but I watched him against Brand and was pretty disappointed. I think Kovalev has this one by UD.

    As far as connect percentage I say about 30% overall. Kovalev will win a corner stoppage before he knocks Ward out. If Kovalev manages to land around the 35%-40% range he stops Ward imo on a tko or RTD. Probably RTD.
    I find it hard to believe he's going to stop Ward. Ward is very durable and won't get touched with anything significant upstairs.

    He has supreme defense and is immune to the jab. He can either counter, simply catch it, or completely outjab Kovalev. Kovalevs jab is overrated, nothing Ward hasn't seen before. And he only would have a 1 inch reach advantage over Ward, Ward had a 4 inch reach deficit against Froch and completely outjabbed him with speed and proper head placement alone.

    And I don't even think the jab will be a factor, because I expect Ward to go southpaw for the whole fight. If thats the case, Kovalev is in for a long night.

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    • Mr.MojoRisin'
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      #22
      Originally posted by KingHippo
      I find it hard to believe he's going to stop Ward. Ward is very durable and won't get touched with anything significant upstairs.

      He has supreme defense and is immune to the jab. He can either counter, simply catch it, or completely outjab Kovalev. Kovalevs jab is overrated, nothing Ward hasn't seen before. And he only would have a 1 inch reach advantage over Ward, Ward had a 4 inch reach deficit against Froch and completely outjabbed him with speed and proper head placement alone.

      And I don't even think the jab will be a factor, because I expect Ward to go southpaw for the whole fight. If thats the case, Kovalev is in for a long night.
      I don't think Kovalev would knock him down but **** him up pretty bad if he landed 35-40%. Ward didn't look that good imo against Brand. If that is the game Ward brings to the table then Kovalev will land a lot. That is what will determine this fight. Kovalev's connect rate. He has very heavy hands and getting hit over 12 rds will be hard. Ward is just a man and Kovalev has the power to knock anyone out at lhw.

      Like I said I am going off of Ward's last performance which was against a smw that nobody heard of. Against Kovalev that won't cut it.

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      • MisterPullman
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        #23
        "Yeah man, my name is kingHippo and I hate dat whitey Kov he a rayciss like forreal he gon lose to my homeboy Dre "

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        • Scipio2009
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          #24
          Originally posted by bigdramashow
          one is rated P4P top 3 by pretty much everyone and is ranked number 1 at light heavyweight,is ranked 39th in the world who hasnt beaten someone in the top 20
          As usual, you sidestep the question. Both are straight-up orthodox boxers, who throw long punches, and are far less engaged in fighting on the inside. Outside of outright power, there's nothing to separate the two.

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          • Thraxox
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            #25
            Originally posted by Scipio2009
            As usual, you sidestep the question. Both are straight-up orthodox boxers, who throw long punches, and are far less engaged in fighting on the inside. Outside of outright power, there's nothing to separate the two.
            Really dude? You want to compare a fighter that is top 3 in the world to a C-class fighter?

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            • Madison Boxing
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              #26
              Originally posted by Scipio2009
              As usual, you sidestep the question. Both are straight-up orthodox boxers, who throw long punches, and are far less engaged in fighting on the inside. Outside of outright power, there's nothing to separate the two.
              well what do you want me to say ffs, list out all their attributes side by side, like fight night round 4 style? Just cause they have similar style apparantly (they dont) it wouldnt mean they are somehow similar ability. Its a ****ing ridiculous statement to say they are similar, ones ranked number 1, beaten hopkins, pascal, cleverly, chilemba, campillo, the other guys beaten murat (who cleverly stopped), jeff lacy and is barely ranked in the top 40, and you want to tell me these guys are similar?!?! Do you not realise there are levels in boxing?! Had the other poster insinuating that beating barrera means he'll beat kovalev, and you guys call me a troll and an idiot!? Swear a lot of you just disagree with me for the sake of it cause i cant understand how some of you are so braindead

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              • RussB23
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                #27
                Originally posted by Thraxox
                You are overrating Ward in terms of defense. He isn't the Pernell Whitaker you are making him out to be. If The C-class fighter in barrera could catch him with jabs and right hand that was enough to damage his face with bruises what do you think would Kovalev do?

                Froch also connected a lot against Ward. You are either overrating Ward or you are underrating Kovalev's precision. Ward is already passed his prime, and Kovalev is slightly past it but still at his peak.
                Even if wards defense is overrated, hes still the best defensive fighter kovalev has ever faced.

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                • Scipio2009
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Thraxox
                  Really dude? You want to compare a fighter that is top 3 in the world to a C-class fighter?
                  I don't care where either guy is rated, by whomever, wherever, however.

                  Skill for skill, what does Sergey Kovalev do that Sullivan Barrera can't do? Outside of just sheer punching power (which can be doubted), there's not a single aspect that you can confidently point to.

                  Isaac Chilemba and Andre Ward, disregard anything about p4p or where they are rated, are similar fighters but not the same fighter. Andre Ward's feet/foot placement is better than Chilemba, Ward's far more effective in getting his offense/negating an opponents offense on the inside than Chilemba is, and is far more dynamic in his use of both hands than Chilemba is, to point out the obvious differences.

                  not that complicated

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                  • Scipio2009
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by bigdramashow
                    well what do you want me to say ffs, list out all their attributes side by side, like fight night round 4 style? Just cause they have similar style apparantly (they dont) it wouldnt mean they are somehow similar ability. Its a ****ing ridiculous statement to say they are similar, ones ranked number 1, beaten hopkins, pascal, cleverly, chilemba, campillo, the other guys beaten murat (who cleverly stopped), jeff lacy and is barely ranked in the top 40, and you want to tell me these guys are similar?!?! Do you not realise there are levels in boxing?! Had the other poster insinuating that beating barrera means he'll beat kovalev, and you guys call me a troll and an idiot!? Swear a lot of you just disagree with me for the sake of it cause i cant understand how some of you are so braindead
                    You don't need to list everything; I've simply asked for 1-2.

                    I've seen Sullivan Barrera fight Andre Ward, Karo Murat, and Jeff Lacy. I've seen Kovalev fight Campillo, Cornelius White, Hopkins, the first Pascal fight, and parts of the Chilemba fight.

                    Style for style, I can't point to a single thing, outside of maybe punch power, where you can clearly say that Kovalev does this clearly better than Barrera.

                    Is Kovalev's jab significantly better than Barrera's jab? No. Is Kovalev's defense significantly better than Barrera's? No. Is Kovalev's lead hook better than Barrera's? No. etc.

                    Please point to a single skill, and I'll move on.

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                    • Kigali
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Scipio2009
                      I don't care where either guy is rated, by whomever, wherever, however.

                      Skill for skill, what does Sergey Kovalev do that Sullivan Barrera can't do? Outside of just sheer punching power (which can be doubted), there's not a single aspect that you can confidently point to.

                      Isaac Chilemba and Andre Ward, disregard anything about p4p or where they are rated, are similar fighters but not the same fighter. Andre Ward's feet/foot placement is better than Chilemba, Ward's far more effective in getting his offense/negating an opponents offense on the inside than Chilemba is, and is far more dynamic in his use of both hands than Chilemba is, to point out the obvious differences.

                      not that complicated
                      ...not only that,Barrera throws a shi.t-load more punches than Kovalev.

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