Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Jacobs: The WBA Wants Deal, Gives Purse Bid Extension

[World Champion?]

I said 2 Quillins, per Jacobs himself. Dunno if he meant 3m or 2.5, either way most generous for this mando. And I'm saying he'd be lucky to see 1.5m if it went to a purse bid under the standard split. Which has nothing to do with any offers made before the bid is ordered.

Yes, I meant the offer before these negotiations started was 3m (he made 1.5m vs Quillin). So why is it less now? Do you see what I'm asking now?

[HeroBando]

Yes, I meant the offer before these negotiations started was 3m (he made 1.5m vs Quillin). So why is it less now? Do you see what I'm asking now?

Why do you keep repeating this with zero evidence? You have no idea what he was offered. I don't think you understand how this works. Do I need to explain?

[rogdogx]

If that's what it takes to get the fight done then get it done. The fight is worth $5 mil maybe $7 mil at the most. Jacobs would get $2 mil on a $5 mil purse bid and GGG would get $3 mil. If the bid is $7 mil Jacobs would get $2.8 mil and Golovkin would get 4.2 mil. Let's even say PBC bids something outrageous like $10 mil. Jacob would get $4 mil and GGG would get $6 mil. If it takes a 60-40 split to get the fight done then change the split and let the market decide the value of the fight. This is gonna be a good payday for both fighters.

I agree about the 60-40 split. Jacobs is a recognizable name with a great story. This would be an excellent match up. This is arguably 1 versus 2 in the MW division. A 60-40 split is reasonable and fair. If people are expecting Jacobs to only take 25% then it just isn't going to happen. This is a fight that will help Golovkin solidify himself as the MW champion.

[World Champion?]

beat?..... I just want him to take those fights

Usually..... if you beat a good fighter, it is a good win..... if you beat a very good fighter, it is a very good win..... if you beat a great fighter, it is a great win..... the degree will vary depending on a number of factors, prime, manner of win, controversies, etc..... but that is generally how it works, that way you can cross-compare era's/wins/resumes more effectively.

Golovkin has a bunch of good wins over sub-par competition, a few good wins over solid competition, and 2 very good wins over Murray/Lemieux..... so, to date, he is a very good fighter.

I would even go so far as to say that there are indications that he could be special..... a cultured amateur pedigree, solid pro record, good offensive style with some nice skills/touches..... but like I said, to date..... he is just another very good fighter.

But the reasons (excuses) as to why he is only - to date - a very good fighter..... are starting to pile up.

Now I understand, and you're right, Golovkin's team has shifted their stance in a number of areas and it is frustrating to see his potential fading. Obviously the 'we fight anyone from 154-168 thing' is a myth but I don't have much of an issue with that as long as he tries to make the best fights at middleweight. When he fails to do that, it becomes difficult to follow or understand what he or his team are doing. I do think that some fighters have avoided him in the past, especially early on in his career, though he too has probably made some calculated decisions that have prevented fights from happening.

I think each of these fighters try to make fights based on what is in their own best interest, which is understandable. The problem is when fighters use that as an excuse to hide behind their unwillingness to challenge themselves in the hope that they will glide their way to a huge payday.

I agree that to be called a great fighter you must defeat a great fighter and it seems hardly any fighters these days are striving to be great. Though Golovkin is not the worst offender (he is at least active and makes defenses), his inability to get any big fights is frustrating.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Here it is for you reading comprehension failures http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...lks-get-messy:

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Told yall dumbasses.

When you can't read, maybe it's not the best idea to question the information being relayed to you by someone who can. I'm just saying. I not only know the trends in boxing inside out (in this case the trend is fighters find ways to duck GGG), but I can read, and I'm not an idiot, so that's three advantages I have over the Al Haymon fanboys on NSB. Question fellow Haymon fanboys if you want, question certain people, but when I tell you guys something about boxing, best to just accept it, because if I'm telling it to you, I know what I'm talking about, and I actually understand these things, unlike you guys. My thinking is also not completely crippled by bias like Haymon fanboys are, who seem to get more entertainment from "a black fan is wasting 500 million dollars on a failed venture... I mean taking over boxing!" than they do from seeing good boxing matchups, so that gives me an unfair advantage.

Next time if you don't want to look ******, accept what I'm telling you about boxing. Don't question people with superior knowledge, and superior objectivity, unless you want to look like an idiot. Just saying. Free advice.

Lemme point something out for you because you aren't to media savvy. Here is the article you posted by known PBC hater and GGG's nuthugger, Fat Dan

But the sides apparently aren't getting anywhere in the negotiations. Gilberto Mendoza Jr., president of the WBA, told ESPN.com that there has been discussion by the Jacobs side of a possible interim bout before facing Golovkin (36-0, 33 KOs), although Golovkin does not want an interim fight. He wants to do the mandatory fight with Jacobs (32-1, 29 KOs) as soon as possible, especially because it is such an attractive fight.

From the LA times article by fair Lance Pugimire that this article is taking from

Mendoza said he offered Golovkin and Jacobs a chance to take an interim fight before meeting next year, but said that was rejected.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing...nap-story.html

[HeroBando]

I agree about the 60-40 split. Jacobs is a recognizable name with a great story. This would be an excellent match up. This is arguably 1 versus 2 in the MW division. A 60-40 split is reasonable and fair. If people are expecting Jacobs to only take 25% then it just isn't going to happen. This is a fight that will help Golovkin solidify himself as the MW champion.

Thing is, we know Jacobs won't be be taking it for 40% of a reasonable bid. Thats 2m tops, he's already passed on more. The only catch is, if Haymon wins the bid Jacobs gets money on the side. But even at 40% it's unlikely Haymon outbids K2

[Boxing lives]

I agree about the 60-40 split. Jacobs is a recognizable name with a great story. This would be an excellent match up. This is arguably 1 versus 2 in the MW division. A 60-40 split is reasonable and fair. If people are expecting Jacobs to only take 25% then it just isn't going to happen. This is a fight that will help Golovkin solidify himself as the MW champion.

Jacobs absolutely deserves atleast 40%. He has a better resume and brings an exciting speed/power style. Loeffler looks pathetic lowballing Jacobs with 25% instead of being reasonable and understanding nobody gives two shits about Grovelkin in the USA. They are negotiating with America's best MW in America and telling him to take 25% or no deal? Its absolutely feckless and just shows the cowardice that dwells in the heart of Grovelkin. These Golovtwats complain and demand GGG get a 50-50 split with Canelo and then act like their pathetic hero isn't outright avoiding Jacobs. Its obvious to anyone that Loeffler is trying to protect his old slow puncher from the beating Jacobs will give him.

[World Champion?]

Why do you keep repeating this with zero evidence? You have no idea what he was offered. I don't think you understand how this works. Do I need to explain?

I will try this one last time and I apologise if it is me that is not making sense but you also need to try and follow what I am saying.

First you claimed that Jacobs was offered about $3m before these negotiations started. (I'm assuming you meant that this was about true)

Next you said that for these negotiations a 25 or even 30% split (a purse bid would give Jacobs only 25%) would be lucky to be worth even 1.5m.

So therefore the offer given in these negotiations (about 1.5m) must be less than the offer of the previous negotiations (about 3m).

Is there any reason why it should be less this time? Just in case it still doesn't make sense just answer this, should Jacobs be getting offered more or less than he has been offered previously?

[rogdogx]

Thing is, we know Jacobs won't be be taking it for 40% of a reasonable bid. Thats 2m tops, he's already passed on more. The only catch is, if Haymon wins the bid Jacobs gets money on the side. But even at 40% it's unlikely Haymon outbids K2

I'm not optimistic about it being made but I'm glad the WBA gave an extension. If this fight is going to happen, it needs to happen now. Golovkin is coming off a huge fight in the UK market and Jacobs has build himself back up nicely after that devastating Pirog KO. Both guys have momentum on their side and I think this fight produces fireworks. I was stoked about GGG-Lemieux. I'd be even more excited about a GGG-Jacobs showdown.

[HeroBando]

Jacobs absolutely deserves atleast 40%. He has a better resume and brings an exciting speed/power style. Loeffler looks pathetic lowballing Jacobs with 25% instead of being reasonable and understanding nobody gives two shits about Grovelkin in the USA. They are negotiating with America's best MW in America and telling him to take 25% or no deal? Its absolutely feckless and just shows the cowardice that dwells in the heart of Grovelkin. These Golovtwats complain and demand GGG get a 50-50 split with Canelo and then act like their pathetic hero isn't outright avoiding Jacobs. Its obvious to anyone that Loeffler is trying to protect his old slow puncher from the beating Jacobs will give him.

You're an all around idiot. Some examples:

1. Ggg vs nobody does 4x the ratings than Jacobs vs Quillin
2. Ggg vs Canadian outsells the BK mega fight 2.5-1 in Jacobs and Quillins hometown lol
3. He wasn't offered 25% dummy, that's what he's due if he keeps pricing himself out and it goes to purse bids