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  • #41
    He should use those skills to fight skilled fighter his own size like he did before with Trout and Lara not tune ups. Fight GGG or if you want to stay at 154 fight Andrade. And for those who say Andrade cant draw and is a nobody, Liam Smith is a nobody at least we know Andrade.

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    • #42
      Canelo still needs to tighten up his defense. He's getting better but is still catching fire when he's trying to act slick.
      I do agree that he's nearly a complete fighter. So many people are blind to this. Canelo's traps and combinations are truly some of the best in boxing right now.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by RetroSpeed05 View Post
        He should use those skills to fight skilled fighter his own size like he did before with Trout and Lara not tune ups. Fight GGG or if you want to stay at 154 fight Andrade. And for those who say Andrade cant draw and is a nobody, Liam Smith is a nobody at least we know Andrade.
        What Tune Ups? Smith is heavy handed. Been in boxing since a kid. Rosado entered at the age of 18...

        Smith made two WBO defenses by KO, and won a vacant by KO, and was undefeated. Lemeiux won a vacant by UD and never retained the IBF.

        We can pretend to discredit the Smith bout. No matter how much people try out of denial, but Smith supersedes Monroe Jr or Wade in the top level.

        Cong**** to Smith.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop View Post
          A complete fighter is someone with speed of both hand and foot, power, chin, and a high ring IQ. Canelo fullfills many of these criterion but not all. There are other fighters ahead of him.
          Your opinion is respected bro.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by SugarKaineHook View Post
            You're slow man...

            Context was/is completeness... lol. My point is Alvarez is fast with combinations with great accuracy, well disciplined. What's your point? Name some fighters that were trunks in the ring.
            I'm slow? Yet your out here asking me to name fighter who throw fast combinations and then getting mad when I actually do.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by SugarKaineHook View Post
              What Tune Ups? Smith is heavy handed. Been in boxing since a kid. Rosado entered at the age of 18...

              Smith made two WBO defenses by KO, and won a vacant by KO, and was undefeated. Lemeiux won a vacant by UD and never retained the IBF.

              We can pretend to discredit the Smith bout. No matter how much people try out of denial, but Smith supersedes Monroe Jr or Wade in the top level.

              Cong**** to Smith.
              Smith fought no one, every single person on Smith resume would not stand 3 rounds with GGG or Canelo. GGG is the fight to make Canelo will sky rocket to the top even more if he wins, is it a risk? yes, but GGG might be slowing down already at 34, no need to delay.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by RetroSpeed05 View Post
                Smith fought no one, every single person on Smith resume would not stand 3 rounds with GGG or Canelo. GGG is the fight to make Canelo will sky rocket to the top even more if he wins, is it a risk? yes, but GGG might be slowing down already at 34, no need to delay.
                Too easy to say Smith fought no one. Not even gonna debate that. Lemieux was already a beaten fighter with two consecutive losses.

                WBA Promoted
                WBC Promoted
                IBF - gifted? because you're saying Smith fought no one even doe undefeated
                IBO - no one cares

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                • #48
                  Have to give Canelo props for being able to handle and his knockout of Smith. Smiths a tough contender. And to be fair Canelo has an excellent record apart from Floyd embarrassing him in the ring. Even there it was more because of his immaturity level at the time. I think he's improved since the Mayweather fight. Could also make an argument for his win over Lara which wasn't impressive IMHO. Still he always brings excitement into his fights and I personally enjoy watching him fight. His Achilles heel if you will is GGG and if he can stay away from that trouble his career will continue to be illustrious.

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                  • #49
                    Canelo and GGG needs to happen while both at their primes. It is an interesting match up only because I think Canelo's chin and body "could" be sturdy enough to handle GGG's punches; and if canelo can handle ggg's heavy punches, the question will then be reversed, could GGG handle canelo's power punches because at this point he will be eating it for sure? If he can, then the final determinant is their skill and stamina.

                    GGG's jab is still superior to canelo, but in the end, if canelo is able to go the distance, because of the way the boxing scoring is structured, the judges "could" most probably do the rest for him as the a-side. So please tell canelo, all he has to do is last for 12 rounds in the fight and he has a great great chance in winning the fight.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by SugarKaineHook View Post
                      I rate Ward higher in skill over Alvarez, but Alvarez is one of the most exciting fighters for us fans that want dynamics.

                      He got that work with Lara, controversial, had to play the hunting game with a very footwork orinted A class boxer. To discredit Mosley is to discredit Kova's win over the Alien. Trout? Second Southpaw...should've been KO'd by Charlo considering the hype the brothers get and the loss to Alvarez...beaten. Shows how to respect Trout's skill even today.

                      Angulo? it could be a factor of the weight advantage. Money May vs Marquez? Or the talent truly there regardless. In both instances, target practice. Kirkland? Berzerker Barrage Juggernaut that outblasted Angulo. Alvarez battle tested that work...knowing Kirkland's chin...perhaps giving the fans a longer performance?

                      Cotto? Good god, that's one of the most technical fights Ive seen in years. High ring IQ by two greats. Like Floyd's legacy of opposition..

                      Khan? Well...now going to have that discussion when dumbboyz justify Brook and forget objectivity..

                      Smith. The British version of Angulo.

                      Personally I thought Alvarez carried the fight..First rounds were awkward, Alvarez usually has better movement than that. Until the mid to late rounds Alvarez cameto box as we know him. Or were the earlier rounds adjustment because of an old 154?

                      Regarding Ward. Would love to see Shumenov defend against Ward in two years time. Finalize his legacy at Heavyweight and attempt the WBC.
                      Loma, chocolatito, walters, golovkin, and kovalev are more complete than canelo.

                      How can canelo be more complete? He doesnt even know what to do if you put a pure boxer in front of him?

                      Floyd gave him an embarrassing schooling. Which is probably the only reason you like him.

                      Lara fought a pretty even bout with him, and i dont think much of Lara. B- type of fighter.

                      Had another close bout with trout where the knockdown and the hometown advantage saved him. Trout himself is also a B- fighter.

                      The fighters i mentioned above are clearly more complete.

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