Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter Responds To Claims By Canelo, Golden Boy

[speakthetruth]

Golovkin and his camp have refused to respond to an offer for $10m, after literally only taking junk fights for his entire ten-year career. gtfoh

If Canelo moves up to middleweight then GGG calls the shots of where and when and how much. GGG is the 160lb champ who rules boxing and Canelo would just be a challenger controlling the purse strings. Make Canelo earn the title shot. Cash is King in boxing as titles mean nothing. GGG draws few fans being a commie in America. Canelo has that low mex crowd of illegals and thieves and menial jobs. INTERESTING

[Mike_R]

If GGG vs. Jacobs is on the table then tbh that works for me.

There are a few guys currently at MW that I would love to see fight Golovkin.

If they make it work with Canelo that's great, but GBP doing flat fee offers is still just a part of them posturing themselves for the real negotiations.

Both sides claiming they're trying to make this fight "as soon as possible" sounds like BS to me. This is a Fall 2017 fight at the earliest at this point. They're all relishing the build up in the media.

I want to know who Canelo fights in the meantime. I'd like to see him jump up to 160 and fight a Lemieux or Billy Joe Saunders type of fighter. He could fight a Charlo if he's sticking to 154, but why not go ahead and make the inevitable move to 160 and acclimate?
He's still going to be knocking guys out, especially if they're Liam Smith caliber. And if he somehow drops a decision loss to someone up there at 160, then he can dodge a real bullet by going to war with Golovkin.


TLDR ; Canelo vs. Golovkin might be the best shoot out we'll have seen in years. I don't think they're going to make this happen for at least another year. Neither guy comes out of that fight unscathed.

[Eastcoast]

Simple math disagrees with you; at $50 a pop (HBO keeps the HD fee for all PPVs), even with K2's stated numbers (a number that no one else involved with the event is willing to repeat) only gets you to $7.5m (about $3.75m before the promoters take a penny).

With ~$4m in disclosed purses for the fight card (how Lemieux/Golden Boy split the Canadian money is between them), the cost of renting MSG being at least $250k, plus the cost of simply staging a PPV fight (insurance, sanctioning fees, promotional materials, drug testing, media events, different marketing costs, etc), the amount of international money must be pretty sizable to make the numbers work out.

Jacobs-Quillin is a different conversation with different factors (Showtime aired either 4 or 5 fights, for Showtime Championship Boxing on the main channel, and some of the fights on SHOExtreme; what that licensing fee was worth to Showtime is a question that I can't answer. Beyond that, I'm pretty confident that Barclays Center/Brooklyn Boxing put up a more than adequate sponsorship/site fee for the event, among other revenues).

You're literally full of ****. Those values aren't from me. Mark Taffet of HBO gave the ppv numbers. And who are you to say those numbers are false and then you turn around and say what MSG charged the event? You don't know what kind of deal they have in place. Just like you turn around and claim Quillin/Jacobs had adequate sponsorship. Dude your so full of **** all the time.

In one instance you say numbers that are being provided are false and in another instance you're pulling numbers out of your ass and saying they're accurate. Keep on going buddy.

[Thaman2x]

If Canelo moves up to middleweight then GGG calls the shots of where and when and how much. GGG is the 160lb champ who rules boxing and Canelo would just be a challenger controlling the purse strings. Make Canelo earn the title shot. Cash is King in boxing as titles mean nothing. GGG draws few fans being a commie in America. Canelo has that low mex crowd of illegals and thieves and menial jobs. INTERESTING

lmao. dude, you cant be serious right? The fight is only attractive because of Canelo's Skill and drawing power and because its the first real test GGG will have had (outside of brook, who IMO was boxing his ears off). GGG alone wont draw what he needs. Be real.

[eco1]

The outcome of the fight will be the outcome of the fight; Golovkin eats too many shots in close for any Canelo fight to ever be easy.

The real truth is that K2 knows that they have a 35-year old middleweight in their hands (who's starting to look rough in making his weight cut) who has yet to deliver a single payday for the company in the 6 years that they've had Golovkin, and the time to get that payday is shorter than they want to be seen acknowledging.

The Alvarez fight is K2's chance to recoup all of the money that they've invested in Golovkin and possibly make a profit, so they're going to hang on for every last penny, for the simple fact that Golovkin winning that fight isn't a given.

15 fights over 5 years; the comparison isn't completely parallel, but Showtime had nearly 3 years and 6 fights to make $250m on Floyd's US TV rights.

How much is K2 on the hook for with Golovkin?

There is an article today asking Canelo to put his firm on the contract instead of talking via the media.

Put your "firm" where you mouth is.

[Scipio2009]

Sure Bud. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. This was before the weight had even been discussed. It's easy to second guess it now, but if you'd been Golovkin's team at the time the WBC mando was the fairly obvious route to take. Sure it didn't work out, but based on the information they had at the time they acted rationally.

So, you'd really have pushed Golovkin into a likely loss to Ward rather than pursue the Cotto - Canelo winner if you were promoting Golovkin? You would make a hilarious promoter I think.

Neither Cotto or Canelo have ever fought above 155lbs, and Golovkin's actions have made it absolutely clear that he never intended to fight an ounce below 160lbs. That, in and of itself, should've let you know what was up.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, as the saying goes; rather than lock in the Ward fight on a 50/50 share, K2 gambled on the chance of fighting Cotto/Alvarez (on a share far less than 50/50) and came up empty.

[Fetta]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, as the saying goes; rather than lock in the Ward fight on a 50/50 share, K2 gambled on the chance of fighting Cotto/Alvarez (on a share far less than 50/50) and came up empty.

TWICE!!!!!! and i bet is sitting and waiting thinking "3rd times a charm" though

[Scipio2009]

If Canelo moves up to middleweight then GGG calls the shots of where and when and how much. GGG is the 160lb champ who rules boxing and Canelo would just be a challenger controlling the purse strings. Make Canelo earn the title shot. Cash is King in boxing as titles mean nothing. GGG draws few fans being a commie in America. Canelo has that low mex crowd of illegals and thieves and menial jobs. INTERESTING

No he doesn't; Alvarez can call Frank Warren, pay what Saunders is asking, win that fight, and instantly become the money fight in the division. You add that Golovkin literally has the WBA and IBF mandatories breathing down his neck, with the WBC not that far behind, and what are you talking about.

Golovkin's next fight is literally penciled in with the re-air of Kovalev-Ward. get over yourself.

[Scipio2009]

You're literally full of ****. Those values aren't from me. Mark Taffet of HBO gave the ppv numbers. And who are you to say those numbers are false and then you turn around and say what MSG charged the event? You don't know what kind of deal they have in place. Just like you turn around and claim Quillin/Jacobs had adequate sponsorship. Dude your so full of **** all the time.

In one instance you say numbers that are being provided are false and in another instance you're pulling numbers out of your ass and saying they're accurate. Keep on going buddy.

If you have an actual link of Mark Taffet actually putting numbers out for Golovkin-Lemieux, I'd love for you to share it (spoiler alert - he didn't).

Beyond that, I never said Jacobs-Quillin had adequate sponsorship; I was simply making the point that, while Golovkin-Lemieux relied on PPV, Jacobs-Quillin was largely financed by a license fee that covered nearly 4 hours of time for Showtime.

The numbers to consider are significantly different between the two events.

[Scipio2009]

There is an article today asking Canelo to put his firm on the contract instead of talking via the media.

Put your "firm" where you mouth is.

K2 already have an offer from Golden Boy.

What is stopping them from taking that offer and signing it?