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  • Progrssive_Jedi
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    #31
    Originally posted by Mil Muertes
    Funny how Triple G fans talk about Wards weight ass if they have concrete proof of Ward not being able to make 168 yet they totally ignore the fact that Triple G's team wanted a catch weight or the fact that Sanchez is on video confirming that Ward was too high risk low reward.
    Sanchez said the truth there. At the time Ward had just fought 172. Dan Rafael reported he couldn't make 168 anymore (in light of Ward saying a year later he's having issues staying at 175, kinda lends credence to Dan's report).

    And GGG didn't ask for a CW to Ward. What they were asked by Dan, and others, is what would it take to make the fight now, when GGG was staying at 160. He said meet in middle. He wasn't gonna move to 168 yet, with good reason.

    At the time when Ward offered GGG to fight him in 18 months, GGG had just gotten lined up to fully unify. A goal he's been talking about since coming to the states.

    At the time these were the facts:

    1. He owned the WBA strap.
    2. He signed to fight for the IBF. He won that strap.
    3. GGG was mandatory for the winner of Cotto/Canelo. He'd get that strap.
    4. And Lee was favored to beat Suanders and fight GGG in a big fight New York unfication fight. Lee had signed before so we know he would have. But after that, Suanders won and messed up the last part.

    So they turned Ward down for many reasons.

    1. Ward wanted 50/50 18 months in advance.
    2. Ward wanted 168.
    3. GGG had finally lined up unification fights.
    4. 2015-2016 would be the year GGG stock took off making it absurd to give Ward 50/50 so far in advance.

    They told Ward then and stick to it now. They'll fight him at 168 when completing his goals at 160.

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    • Progrssive_Jedi
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      #32
      Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
      Why more than 10 mil? Why would Golovkin get over 5x he usually makes? Will Canelo get 5x he makes?
      Khan got 10m. GGG is a B+ side in that fight. It should be 70/30 and would likely give GGG way more than 10 million.

      That fight would be huge. Canelo will make 30m.

      Problem is, Canelo won't fight GGG until he loses or slows down a great deal. So that fight will lose its luster by the time he takes it.

      Geek, by then Canelo will have continued to fight guys like Manny, Cotto, Smith, Khan, all guys with little chance to give a good fight. Canelo can fight anyone from 154-168, but prob goes for manny next.

      Eventually fans will give up. Canelo will soon be stuck at 300k ppv. If that.

      Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
      Same shit Golovkin did to Ward. "Maybe 2017"
      Two different situations. GGG is a MW. Ward is a LHW, even then fighting at 172.

      GGG isn't a title holder in ward's division, never called Ward into the ring, and never promised fans that fight would get made soon.

      To compare the two is silly.

      Canelo is being asked to defend his lineal MW title against the best MW in the world. Canelo is heavier than GGG. They are same weight basically.

      Ward is much bigger than GGG. He comes into the ring 10-15 pounds heavier. Even more now, since Ward is having issues making 175.

      Canelo has never been asked to fight a guy that much bigger than him.

      In fact, when gas Canelo fought a guy heavier than him at all. No title fights, all have been guys from class below: Hatton, Floyd, Cotto, Khan, and now Smith.

      The first time Canelo is charged to fight a guy who is similar sized, he balks.

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      • turnedup
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        #33
        Oscar is not going to make that fight. Gomez is just adding fuel to a fire because of the media hounding both fighters about a match up. Gomez is in full PR mode to use it to drive sales for the Smith out. Oscar stopped caring about pride ages ago and that's fine he's a businessman now primarily so we get that but the lying and fan baiting needs to stop.

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        • Ray*
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          #34
          Originally posted by JUNIABOY
          I did say I made an estimate. And those numbers don't include ppv buys and other sales. Not to mention that for sure GGG will get the bigger share of the income generated. I think this fight will generate a ton of money...and those monies will be distributed properly to each side. If we take that into account, then GGG and Brook could easily see over 6mil each. Whatever the number, GGG is definitely going to be entitled to a larger share than what Amir Khan got against Canelo (10mil+). Do the math. GBP are going to have to pay GGG pretty well if they make that fight.
          Your number or guesstimate are crazy! I don't think you understand how Skysports works, they are greedy for one. And then you have Hearn too. No way both fighters even make 6 million combined AFTER PPV.

          There is a reason why Eubank senior was telling the media that "The first dollar should go to the fighters first, because they are the ones taking the risk and if the fight doesn't happen then blame Skysports"

          Those numbers are crazy!

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          • ThatDude44
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            #35
            $2,000,001.

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            • ThatDude44
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              #36
              Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
              So you're just guessing off of other peoples guesses. OMFG.......
              He's just crunching some numbers, lol.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Ray*
                Your number or guesstimate are crazy! I don't think you understand how Skysports works, they are greedy for one. And then you have Hearn too. No way both fighters even make 6 million combined AFTER PPV.

                There is a reason why Eubank senior was telling the media that "The first dollar should go to the fighters first, because they are the ones taking the risk and if the fight doesn't happen then blame Skysports"

                Those numbers are crazy!
                I don't believe those numbers but afaik their guarantees are well beyond 6m. Like $4m for Brook and 5 for Ggg, with Brook taking most or all of the Ppv upside. Hearn says the deal is, 25% to sky and rest to fighter past break even, like Froch, Joshua

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                • JUNIABOY
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Ray*
                  Your number or guesstimate are crazy! I don't think you understand how Skysports works, they are greedy for one. And then you have Hearn too. No way both fighters even make 6 million combined AFTER PPV.

                  There is a reason why Eubank senior was telling the media that "The first dollar should go to the fighters first, because they are the ones taking the risk and if the fight doesn't happen then blame Skysports"

                  Those numbers are crazy!
                  Was it crazy that Amir Khan made 10mil+ against Canelo? Most would say yes. And this is a better matchup, with a road warrior champion making his UK debut. If you're looking for where I get such a high estimate?...well, it took all of 11minutes for the fight to sell out...which means that much more people are going to be willing to buy the ppv.

                  You know, before the fighters even see a single dollar, the networks & the promoters have already taken their percentage, right? But if I'm right, and if the Brits are truly willing to pay to see their fighter against GGG, then we're talking about a huge amount of income generated. I can pereceive each fighter getting around 6mil each or more because of not just the ppv being generated in the UK, but also the money HBO has to fork over for televising it in the US. If you want to disagree, what's your reasons?

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                  • Mate_Parlov
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mil Muertes
                    Funny how Triple G fans talk about Wards weight ass if they have concrete proof of Ward not being able to make 168 yet they totally ignore the fact that Triple G's team wanted a catch weight or the fact that Sanchez is on video confirming that Ward was too high risk low reward.
                    Concrete proof as in Andre Ward statement "I can't make 168 anymore"?
                    Andre/Floyd fans always want written proof for whatever fact that does not support their theory.

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                    • Mate_Parlov
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
                      So you're just guessing off of other peoples guesses. OMFG.......
                      Says the guy who believes in 97K PPV!!! And who is the source for that? Other peoples guesses. OMFG....

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