Comments Thread For: Golden Boy VP Hits Back at Golovkin's Comments on Canelo Fight

[Scipio2009]

Sanchez said the truth there. At the time Ward had just fought 172. Dan Rafael reported he couldn't make 168 anymore (in light of Ward saying a year later he's having issues staying at 175, kinda lends credence to Dan's report).

And GGG didn't ask for a CW to Ward. What they were asked by Dan, and others, is what would it take to make the fight now, when GGG was staying at 160. He said meet in middle. He wasn't gonna move to 168 yet, with good reason.

At the time when Ward offered GGG to fight him in 18 months, GGG had just gotten lined up to fully unify. A goal he's been talking about since coming to the states.

At the time these were the facts:

1. He owned the WBA strap.
2. He signed to fight for the IBF. He won that strap.
3. GGG was mandatory for the winner of Cotto/Canelo. He'd get that strap.
4. And Lee was favored to beat Suanders and fight GGG in a big fight New York unfication fight. Lee had signed before so we know he would have. But after that, Suanders won and messed up the last part.

So they turned Ward down for many reasons.

1. Ward wanted 50/50 18 months in advance.
2. Ward wanted 168.
3. GGG had finally lined up unification fights.
4. 2015-2016 would be the year GGG stock took off making it absurd to give Ward 50/50 so far in advance.

They told Ward then and stick to it now. They'll fight him at 168 when completing his goals at 160.

Ward was 172lbs nearly three weeks before said fight. lol

Golovkin got handed two belts, had to sell $15 tickets to fill in MSG, the PPV debut flopped and, after Ward moved on, Kovalev-Ward has apparently already generated more money at the gate than Golovkin-Lemieux did (and the fight is still two months away).

Golovkin and Ward went their separate ways, Golovkin is still thirsting after a money fight, and Ward is seemingly lined up to not only fight Sergey Kovalev (for an apparently sizable payday), but also to fight Adonis Stevenson (with Roc Nation doing business with Lou DiBella/Showtime, and their prospects getting more opportunities on SHO than HBO, on top of Ward's HBO deal being up, the stage is open for business to be discussed) in a likely SHOPPV/Canadian PPV fight (for another sizable payday).

Golovkin and his camp gambled and came up snake eyes.

[Scipio2009]

I don't believe those numbers but afaik their guarantees are well beyond 6m. Like $4m for Brook and 5 for Ggg, with Brook taking most or all of the Ppv upside. Hearn says the deal is, 25% to sky and rest to fighter past break even, like Froch, Joshua

the fact that you believe that Eddie Hearn has committed his company to owing $10m for a main event (plus the costs of booking, staging, and promoting the fight) is laughable.

@~$30 per PPV, with no idea what the live gate is looking like on the fight (for argument's sake, let's say that the net proceeds on the gate is big enough to cover the rest of the costs related to the event), you're likely looking at needing 500k-600k PPV buys to break even on the fight (a figure that's significantly beyond anything Brook has ever done on Box Office).

[Scipio2009]

Was it crazy that Amir Khan made 10mil+ against Canelo? Most would say yes. And this is a better matchup, with a road warrior champion making his UK debut. If you're looking for where I get such a high estimate?...well, it took all of 11minutes for the fight to sell out...which means that much more people are going to be willing to buy the ppv.

You know, before the fighters even see a single dollar, the networks & the promoters have already taken their percentage, right? But if I'm right, and if the Brits are truly willing to pay to see their fighter against GGG, then we're talking about a huge amount of income generated. I can pereceive each fighter getting around 6mil each or more because of not just the ppv being generated in the UK, but also the money HBO has to fork over for televising it in the US. If you want to disagree, what's your reasons?

Amir Khan didn't just make $10m; no different than Alvarez's Mexican TV deal, Khan's deal with BoxNation put the vast majority of that money into Khan's pocket.

Golovkin's not going to get a massive amount of money from the pot; he and his camp are likely to get the German/EU TV rights (and likely the UK TV rights), and it'll be on K2 to sell those assets to put some money in Golovkin's pocket.

If his Germany TV deals are on **** money, that's he and his camp's problem.

[Scipio2009]

What is the highest amount GGG ever made? Already, it sounds like GGG is the B-side because GBP is saying "we'll make him (GGG) an offer..." as if they're the ones holding all the belts, etc. Mayweather made Canelo an offer, Pacquiao made Vargas an offer, but with GGG, he's still receiving offers???

Matchroom Sport made him an offer, before an actual opponent was even locked in on their side, for frigg's sake.

Golovkin is nowhere near the star that he and his camp have convinced themselves that he is.

[Scipio2009]

Here Ward said it himself, "I can't make 168 any more, I even struggle to make 175"



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Ward last fight at 168 was in 2013, even after training for a year he couldnt make 168 and returned at 172 against a Supermiddleweight.

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Ward fought at Light Heavyweight in the amateurs (178lb) at the age of 19,20 and won Olympic Gold at that weight.

The Alexander Brand fight was a full 14 months after Andre Ward fought Paul Smith, in a fight where he was on the weight three weeks before the fight. Once Golovkin and his camp tucked tail, Ward moved on with his life, the new target became Sergey Kovalev, and he and his camp committed to getting him ready to fight at 175lbs.


Beyond that, Ward fought at Light Heavyweight at 173lbs and on a full stomach (Ward only moved up because he and Andre Dirrell were the US's best chances at a medal, and both fought at 165lbs).

You played yourself.

[Scipio2009]

So you are implying that Ward could make 168 for the supposed GGG fight that could have been arranged not before May 2016. But 3 months later he claimed he cant make it.
So in 3 months he went from can do it to can not. That holds water for 3 year olds.
What was he expecting? To sign contract with GGG gor May 2016 / 168lbs, and come to fight overweight 172 and pay the fine? Ward would be 190 at fight night. That cunt always needed advantage...

Andre Ward was 172lbs with nearly three weeks to go till the Paul Smith fight; Yes, Andre Ward would've been able to make 168, especially knowing the reality of the situation and Ward heading back into fight camp.

Both guys would've fought one fight (to close out the year) before fighting each other, on PPV, in early 2016.

[JUNIABOY]

Not even Canelo made 10 mil when he fought Mayweather, the hell you talkin' about?

I don't know if you realized it yet, but you just compared Canelo to FMJ. Just wanted to point out how ludicrous your argument is. GBP will have to pay GGG well when Canelo decides to grow a pair.

[batista84]

I don't know if you realized it yet, but you just compared Canelo to FMJ. Just wanted to point out how ludicrous your

argument is. GBP will have to pay GGG well when Canelo decides to grow a pair.

fACTS:

1) Canelo made 5 Million vs Mayweather 41.5 Million on a 2.2 Million PPV Sales.
Official Source: http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/9/11...ion-guaranteed

2) You said that GBP whould have to offer more than 10 Million to GGG.

3) Golovkin made 2 Million vs Lemieux 1.5 Million on a 150k PPV Sales.
Official Source http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/1...pv-boxing-news

4) Where did I compare an All Time Great to Canelo? The only "possible" comparision in my argument was to set the record straight that the second most lucrative PPV in boxing history gave Canelo (B-side) only 5 Million.


But you think that Golovkin deserves more than 10 million for not even fighting a money machine like Mayweather? now who is ludicrous? you ust digged deeper in your own grave, lmao


#onlythetruth
#fairtreatment.

[JUNIABOY]

fACTS:

1) Canelo made 5 Million vs Mayweather 41.5 Million on a 2.2 Million PPV Sales.
Official Source: http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/9/11...ion-guaranteed

2) You said that GBP whould have to offer more than 10 Million to GGG.

3) Golovkin made 2 Million vs Lemieux 1.5 Million on a 150k PPV Sales.
Official Source http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/1...pv-boxing-news

4) Where did I compare an All Time Great to Canelo? The only "possible" comparision in my argument was to set the record straight that the second most lucrative PPV in boxing history gave Canelo (B-side) only 5 Million.


But you think that Golovkin deserves more than 10 million for not even fighting a money machine like Mayweather? now who is ludicrous? you ust digged deeper in your own grave, lmao


#onlythetruth
#fairtreatment.

1) Canelo was never going to make 6 figures against FMJ as a relatively unknown fighter. GGG is well-known...if amount of comments on boxing forums can be used as a measuring stick for popularity, then GGG is the most popular boxer in the world...aside from selling out venues on either coast of the U.S. Canelo can't make the "huge" payday without a credible opponent. And you have to agree that Canelo's biggest payday right now is against GGG. Canelo can pay GGG appropriately, or forever be labeled a duck by his own fans.

2) http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...r-khan-7924799

~9mil pounds equals to over 10mil in US dollars.

Another one: http://www.totalsportek.com/boxing/k...-canelo-purse/

~his unique tv deal afforded him 13mil.

So essentially, Khan made over 10mil from fighting Canelo. And Khan isn't nearly the draw that GGG is. If we do the math, even at a 40/60 split, a fight that will generate over 30mil, that's at least 12mil to GGG. I didn't say these things trying to be a GGG fanboy. I did the math in my head. And 30mil is lowballing the potential of a GGG/Canelo fight.

3) Oh great, basing everything you need to know about GGG's drawing power off of his 1st ppv event. That's not being fair to economics. And this is ignoring that fact that it was in an American venue with 2 non-American fighters. It wasn't destined to make huge money. But it did it's job...GGG hit the mainstream in a big way. And now more & more people want to see him fight (tickets sold out in 11minutes in London). That's why Canelo gets no passes by most of his fans if he chooses to duck GGG the rest of his career. Greater money is made when the matchup is greater. Canelo needs GGG or his career will be forever tainted. That's less money in the bank.

4) No, you are making comparisons. You're going about trying to present Canelo's draw & ppv power to FMJ's draw & ppv power as equal distributions. Totally not the same thing. And stop making it out like Canelo did something in that fight...he was thoroughly schooled. He gets no credit for the fight...because it was a f##kin loss!...didn't even show any flashes in that fight of being a promising up-and-comer...no...he was schooled. But the problem with your comparison is that you're making a case that GGG shouldn't get paid well against the top ppv draw in the sport since Canelo only made 5mil against FMJ. What?! That doesn't even make sense. Once again, economics. The money generated would equal to GGG getting over 10mil. Do the math.

#onlythetruth....huh?
#fairtreatment...huh?