Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[ADP02]

I see that you're here now. So allow me to answer your questions specifically. What you have above is speculation, but even your speculation doesn't matter. What variables will allow him to drop from 733ng to 61ng of marijuana metabolites in 75 minutes? I'm sure weedheadz around the world would like to know about that. Is it 12ounces of water?

So I did some checking up since you cannot say the word "Wrooooong"

1) Its not 733 to 61 ng/ml in 1:15 minutes like you and that expert doctor hopes he can sway others to believe ...... even then, .....anways
a) QUEST expert states that 733 ng/ml is not a reliable number. It can be more or less. The actual reliable number is > 300 ng/ml

b) Its not 1:15 minutes. You need to calculate from the time when he tried to dilute his urine which was right after the fight most probably plus that he voided a more concentrated urine 1:15 minutes before the last test!!!

c) 3 experts state something like this "nearly impossible to directly correlate the 3 specific gravity"
Diaz's lawyer agrees "tested - different collectors, collected using completely different collecting methods. sent to different LABs, different agencies and different results"

Diaz's "expert" witness: "Final results can vary dramatically since its a different protocol using different equipment,...!!!!" WOW! BOOOM! He just placed his foot in his mouth. Slam dunk!!!

Sure, I'll explain. I hope you can follow. All three tests taken on the day of the fight found marijuana metabolites. Two from the WADA lab were 61ng or lower, and 1 from the non-WADA lab was 733ng. Now the question is, why are you going with the 733ng non-WADA accredited lab that ****ed up the chain of custody of the sample and ****ed up the anonymity of the sample as opposed to the two WADA accredited lab results that followed all WADA protocol? Since I answered your question, I'd like for you to answer mine.

I explained above as far as units is concerned but lets use Floyd's IV scandal to help you out.
Why doesn't the NSAC throw the book at Floyd over the IV scandal? Answer that and you can then realize that you should STOP using WADA as the must protocol. QUEST has been used before by NSAC and NSAC accepts their protocols.

And I'm assuming that you mean to say the protocol that Quest used once is somehow superior than the protocol that the WADA accredited lab used twice in this matter. Hmm. But not only that. You do realize that Quest relies on a specific gravity test to confirm their test for a diluted sample, do you not? Now, what do you have to say about that? It's not that Quest uses one instead of the other. Quest says even if the sample fails the creatinine test, it still is NOT confirmed as dilute depending on the results of a specific gravity test. Hmmmm. Explain that.

Yup, QUEST checks Creatinine levels and if low then also double checks with Specific Gravity. SMRTL just sg test.

Again, its different protocol and now your expert witness agrees with me!

Lets repeat:
Diaz's "expert" witness: "Final results can vary dramatically since its a different protocol using different equipment,...!!!!" WOW! BOOOM! He just placed his foot in his mouth. Slam dunk!!!

What did you tell me about specific gravity? That it's relied on by Quest, whom you are insinuating had a superior protocol than the WADA accredited lab

Again, its different protocol and I said it again but QUEST's protocol has a 2 step process:

1) immunoassay test which is a qualitative test: Score of 1.4 which means its positive. It provides either a positive or negative result, indicating the presence or absence of detectable drug. In Diaz's case, its positive

2) quantitative using gc/ms to measure the amount of the metabolite - Reliability is that it measured at > 300 ng/ml. Measurement value was 733 ng/ml but that is higher than the upper limit. So to say that it may be more or less. So that is why they say and are reliable with stating > 300 ng/ml


So to say that Diaz was tested twice and consequently FAILED TWICE!!!



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[Zaroku]

Floyd ruined lives. LMAO in slow motion.

[travestyny]

So I did some checking up since you cannot say the word "Wrooooong"

1) Its not 733 to 61 ng/ml in 1:15 minutes like you and that expert doctor hopes he can sway others to believe ...... even then, .....anways
a) QUEST expert states that 733 ng/ml is not a reliable number. It can be more or less. The actual reliable number is > 300 ng/ml

b) Its not 1:15 minutes. You need to calculate from the time when he tried to dilute his urine which was right after the fight most probably plus that he voided a more concentrated urine 1:15 minutes before the last test!!!

c) 3 experts state something like this "nearly impossible to directly correlate the 3 specific gravity"
Diaz's lawyer agrees "tested - different collectors, collected using completely different collecting methods. sent to different LABs, different agencies and different results"

Diaz's "expert" witness: "Final results can vary dramatically since its a different protocol using different equipment,...!!!!" WOW! BOOOM! He just placed his foot in his mouth. Slam dunk!!!





I explained above as far as units is concerned but lets use Floyd's IV scandal to help you out.
Why doesn't the NSAC throw the book at Floyd over the IV scandal? Answer that and you can then realize that you should STOP using WADA as the must protocol. QUEST has been used before by NSAC and NSAC accepts their protocols.




Yup, QUEST checks Creatinine levels and if low then also double checks with Specific Gravity. SMRTL just sg test.

Again, its different protocol and now your expert witness agrees with me!

Lets repeat:
Diaz's "expert" witness: "Final results can vary dramatically since its a different protocol using different equipment,...!!!!" WOW! BOOOM! He just placed his foot in his mouth. Slam dunk!!!



Again, its different protocol and I said it again but QUEST's protocol has a 2 step process:

1) immunoassay test which is a qualitative test: Score of 1.4 which means its positive. It provides either a positive or negative result, indicating the presence or absence of detectable drug. In Diaz's case, its positive

2) quantitative using gc/ms to measure the amount of the metabolite - Reliability is that it measured at > 300 ng/ml. Measurement value was 733 ng/ml but that is higher than the upper limit. So to say that it may be more or less. So that is why they say and are reliable with stating > 300 ng/ml


So to say that Diaz was tested twice and consequently FAILED TWICE!!!



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More utter bull**** by you.


Yes, they say it could be higher or lower than 733, though that IS the value that was measured. We know why they said this, but let me throw you that bone.

So now...how the hell does he get from over 300ng to 61ng?


How is his specific gravity 1.009 if he was hydrating immediately after the fight? By the way, go watch the ending of the fight. He wasn't drinking water after the fight. He stayed in the octogon for awhile, but let's say he drank as soon as he got back to the locker room.

Explain why his specific gravity is 1.009 based on the studies you provided.

That's all I have to say. Let's see if you can answer. Simple 2 questions. Go!

[travestyny]

Oh, like night and day?

Well maybe if you answer the questions, I will be able to have an idea of what the **** you are trying to bs, I mean say.

So one more time.

1. Did Pac's team lie about sending paperwork to NSAC?

2. Did Pac's team lie about providing proof of injury to USADA?

3. Did Pac say he was not in pain before the fight? Did Pac lie about that?

4. Did Arum lie about receiving a TUE for toradol?

Now maybe you can try to give some straight answers to each question. I'll be waiting.

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From Mr. Bob Arum on May 6th, 2015:

"Then he rested it for a couple of months and it went away," Arum said. "It's a recurring kind of injury. It can kick up again, which it did in sparring [2˝ weeks before] this fight. They gave him a series of treatments that enabled the pain to go away and then when he went into the fight, he was feeling absolutely no pain and using his right arm."
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/arum-pa...ry?id=30833993




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. SO IF THERE WAS NO PAIN, MR. ADP02, WHY WAS DR. NEAL ELATTRACHE TRYING TO SHOOT PACQUAIO UP WITH PAIN-KILLERS?

NOW ONCE AGAIN, WAS THE WORLD RENOWNED DOCTOR ATTEMPTING TO HELP PACQUIAO CHEAT, OR IS THIS JUST MORE LIES? I KNOW THAT IT'S CONVENIENTLY ALL LIES WHEN IT FITS YOUR AGENDA.LMAO. PLEASE, TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

PACQUAIO SAYS: NO PAIN BEFORE THE FIGHT
ARUM SAYS : NO PAIN BEFORE THE FIGHT
DR. NEAL ELATTRACHE SAYS: FULL STRENGTH BEFORE THE FIGHT.
ADP02 SAYS: PACQUAIO ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH, BUT HE OCCASIONALLY LIES WHEN IT FITS MY AGENDA.

YOU LOST.

So that is how you answer? With questions?

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Lol. That's it? Ok, I guess we are done on this issue, huh?

[travestyny]

What does that mean that they FOUND marijuana metabolites in all urine samples?
ANSWER: Yes even if its below the threshold for marijuana, it indicates that he is in fact a user of marijuana!

No one is arguing this fact. Stop trying to deflect the conversation. You know this is about specific gravity.

PLUS

The 2 tests by SMRTL, what were the specific gravities? Below, normal or above normal for a person?
BOTH were considered hydrated samples. TEST #1 more so than TEST #2

Notice, I am giving direct answers to your questions, unlike you.

SMRTL test 1: 1.002
SMRTL test 2: 1.009

Normal specific gravity for a person: 1.002 - 1.030

QUEST deems not dilute if: 1.002 or higher.
WADA deems not dilute if: 1.005 or higher

Test #2 clearly not dilute by any standards.

12 ounces: Its a study that had subjects that used 1 gallon and 12 ounces and other substances as well. If you check, other studies have used similar type of amounts.
After 1 quart and 12 ounces there is a shift in hydration then as the subject drinks another quart 1 hour later, they become hyper hydrated in certain subjects. In fact, most do.

I remember that either that study or another explains this ..... but if it makes you laugh, go ahead. Its good to laugh.

Dude, admit you are wrong. You quoted that synapsis that said 12 ounces can reduce up to 10,000ng of marijuana metabolite! When I goofed on the flag issue because it was falsely reported, you mentioned it every chance you could get (because you had NOTHING else and couldn't challenge my other points). You goofed here. Just ****ing admit it. Don't believe everything that you read, right?

but I know its all spin and deflections.
How did they manage to get a positive result for the same substance that Diaz uses and you think its what?
Just a coincidence? What? Please explain that one to me because you never did.

YES I DID! You are pretending to be ******. He tested positive 3 times for marijuana. He was below threshold value for 2, and WAY OVER for the one in between. The study YOU PROVIDED shows that this is foolish to believe. Specific gravity would have been much lower for the 3rd test, and no way he could have drank enough water to dilute 300ng, let alone 733ng. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG!

How come he had so much difficulty just days before getting a negative test? Due to what? Marijuana!!!Just a coincidence?

So you admit he got a lab to test himself and make sure his levels were low. LMAO. You're a clown.

If you keep insisting that I'm wrong, I'm going to keep insisting that we go to the thunderdome to settle this. Did you find your balls yet....

Or will you admit that you are WRONG!

[travestyny]

Diaz's "expert" witness: "Final results can vary dramatically since its a different protocol using different equipment,...!!!!" WOW! BOOOM! He just placed his foot in his mouth. Slam dunk!!!
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What the hell are you talking about now? Is this your new line of defense? lmao.

Point me to where he said this QUEST test can be legitimate simply because it used different protocol. He said the test is an outlier, which it is. He also said that the reason test B came about was because a lab can get it wrong, so you send the sample to a different lab to check the results of the first lab.

So....what exactly do you think you are catching this witness in? There is no way that two labs using the same equipment (yes, both eventually used GC/MS) would be >300ng and 61ng apart on a test.

BOOM. You're ******ed.

[ADP02]

More utter bull**** by you.


Yes, they say it could be higher or lower than 733, though that IS the value that was measured. We know why they said this, but let me throw you that bone.

So now...how the hell does he get from over 300ng to 61ng?


How is his specific gravity 1.009 if he was hydrating immediately after the fight? By the way, go watch the ending of the fight. He wasn't drinking water after the fight. He stayed in the octogon for awhile, but let's say he drank as soon as he got back to the locker room.

Explain why his specific gravity is 1.009 based on the studies you provided.

That's all I have to say. Let's see if you can answer. Simple 2 questions. Go!

Still cannot admit that you and your expert were WROOOONG?


Funny response from you. There was no BS coming from me. I used facts from the case and so on. In fact, some of the lines I used are lines that Diaz's defense team used. Are you telling me that what you previously called "expert" witness response is now called a BS response?


Witness stated which numbers were reliable and which numbers were not as reliable. Again, my statement came from the case!


specific gravity = 1.009
Witness stated that 1.009 is significantly more dilute (hydrated) than normal specific gravity. Normally its around 1.020 +/- a few points.

[ADP02]

No one is arguing this fact. Stop trying to deflect the conversation. You know this is about specific gravity.




Notice, I am giving direct answers to your questions, unlike you.

SMRTL test 1: 1.002
SMRTL test 2: 1.009

Normal specific gravity for a person: 1.002 - 1.030

QUEST deems not dilute if: 1.002 or higher.
WADA deems not dilute if: 1.005 or higher

Test #2 clearly not dilute by any standards.

Specific gravity? See previous post.
(specific gravity = 1.009
Witness stated that 1.009 is significantly more dilute (hydrated) than normal specific gravity. Normally its around 1.020 +/- a few points. )


WADA specific gravity thresholds can vary between < 1.005 and <1.01 depending on how its measured.


A reference value of 1.0200 is used by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) for normalization of testosterone precursors, metabolites, and other endogenous steroids in urine (6). Almost all anti-doping programs worldwide adhere to the WADA procedures for normalization of endogenous steroids. In addition, some environmental and sports procedures reject specimens from normalization that are considered either “too dilute” or “too concentrated” by placing defined limits on specific gravity and creatinine. For example, Allession
et al. (9) suggested rejection of specimens that had specific gravity measures that were < 1.010 or > 1.030 and specimens with creatinine < 50 mg/dL or > 300 mg/dL.

Dude, admit you are wrong. You quoted that synapsis that said 12 ounces can reduce up to 10,000ng of marijuana metabolite! When I goofed on the flag issue because it was falsely reported, you mentioned it every chance you could get (because you had NOTHING else and couldn't challenge my other points). You goofed here. Just ****ing admit it. Don't believe everything that you read, right?

I was quoting about what it takes to bring down urine concentrations. AGAIN, several studies bring up this point. IT's NOT my point its their point in which I communicated to you. If you do not like the studies, I cannot do anything about it. They are just stating that with dilution of urine, THC levels drop significantly even with just 1-2 quarts of water in 1.5 to 2 hours. They noticed that even with just 12 ounces it can have an affect. Its all relative.

BUT my point was NOT about 12 ounces of water but I didn't want to just cut portions of the quote.

MY POINT: If you remember, you mentioned at how it was medically impossible to drink enough fluids in a short amount of time? Well that study AND OTHERS point to it being possible in the amount of time from when Diaz finished his fight and TEST #3!!! YET I DO NOT RECALL YOU THEN SAYING THAT YOU WERE WROOOOONG!!! and that is what YOU thought because you agreed with the expert witness but I did NOT!!!

"You goofed here. Just ****ing admit it." Ooops

YES I DID! You are pretending to be ******. He tested positive 3 times for marijuana. He was below threshold value for 2, and WAY OVER for the one in between. The study YOU PROVIDED shows that this is foolish to believe. Specific gravity would have been much lower for the 3rd test, and no way he could have drank enough water to dilute 300ng, let alone 733ng. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG!



So you admit he got a lab to test himself and make sure his levels were low. LMAO. You're a clown.

If you keep insisting that I'm wrong, I'm going to keep insisting that we go to the thunderdome to settle this. Did you find your balls yet....

Or will you admit that you are WRONG!

Funny that now you want me to speculate? How come?

As I stated before, we cannot know what Floyd did exactly nor what Diaz did exactly but one thing is for sure is that FLoyd admitted to using a banned method and Diaz tested positive TWICE by QUEST due to their 2 step approach.

There are really too many variables to consider as stated by YOUR OWN EXPERT!

BUT as I pointed out, its possible to dilute but that your EXPERT didn't want to say. Why? Because he knows that with just a few liters of water, Diaz could have diluted his urine sample just enough to test negative. Now add that it could have been an electrolyte solution where there would be a lot less risk involved, it makes that impossibility POSSIBLE!!! Fire that expert!!!

but if you actually listen to his response, he did like you did.
Cut the time to between TEST #2 and #3 which is incorrect! It should be from when his fight ends (can add some time) to TEST #3.....
BUT the doctor also says something like "If its from hydration alone its not medically plausible." Well, what if its not just hydration alone and what if its not just water and again, add some more time!!!



One of the best lines to come out of it was when the court asked the "expert" some questions:

QUESTION 1) Have you reviewed Quest and other clients before?
EXPERTS RESPONSE: Yes. Example? Loews Home Improvements testing program (uses QUEST)
QUESTION 2) Have you ever heard of Quest being wrong on a marijuana test?
EXPERTS RESPONSE: No!


This expert knows QUEST and never ever found a false marijuana test result!!!! BOOM!!!






Clown? I prefer to just discuss but perhaps you are looking in the mirror again? You are trying to defend someone who doesn't say that he didn't use. He says he didn't use during in-competition so it should be OK .... but keep on looking bad on this .... THIS IS TOO EASY and you know it! You never had a shot! You are looking at this like Diaz's lawyers did and made the same mistakes!


Diaz's own expert witness put the nails in the coffin. The rest was all academic.

GAME OVER!!!! YOU ARE WROOOONG!



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[travestyny]

Still cannot admit that you and your expert were WROOOONG?


Funny response from you. There was no BS coming from me. I used facts from the case and so on. In fact, some of the lines I used are lines that Diaz's defense team used. Are you telling me that what you previously called "expert" witness response is now called a BS response?


Witness stated which numbers were reliable and which numbers were not as reliable. Again, my statement came from the case!


specific gravity = 1.009
Witness stated that 1.009 is significantly more dilute (hydrated) than normal specific gravity. Normally its around 1.020 +/- a few points.

Oh...you mean THE SAME WITNESS THAT SAID THIS:

"Obviously, we don't want a sample that is too dilute. It's hard to find levels of what you're looking for. Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."
http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/...tic-commission

LMAO. YOU GOT OWNED YET AGAIN.


NOW PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE LEVELS GOT DOWN FROM OVER 300NG TO 61NG IN 75 MINUTES. IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT, TELL ME WHY HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY IS 1.009. YOU ARE A CLOWN!

[travestyny]

Specific gravity? See previous post.
(specific gravity = 1.009
Witness stated that 1.009 is significantly more dilute (hydrated) than normal specific gravity. Normally its around 1.020 +/- a few points. )


WADA specific gravity thresholds can vary between < 1.005 and <1.01 depending on how its measured.


A reference value of 1.0200 is used by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) for normalization of testosterone precursors, metabolites, and other endogenous steroids in urine (6). Almost all anti-doping programs worldwide adhere to the WADA procedures for normalization of endogenous steroids. In addition, some environmental and sports procedures reject specimens from normalization that are considered either “too dilute” or “too concentrated” by placing defined limits on specific gravity and creatinine. For example, Allession
et al. (9) suggested rejection of specimens that had specific gravity measures that were < 1.010 or > 1.030 and specimens with creatinine < 50 mg/dL or > 300 mg/dL.







I was quoting about what it takes to bring down urine concentrations. AGAIN, several studies bring up this point. IT's NOT my point its their point in which I communicated to you. If you do not like the studies, I cannot do anything about it. They are just stating that with dilution of urine, THC levels drop significantly even with just 1-2 quarts of water in 1.5 to 2 hours. They noticed that even with just 12 ounces it can have an affect. Its all relative.

BUT my point was NOT about 12 ounces of water but I didn't want to just cut portions of the quote.

MY POINT: If you remember, you mentioned at how it was medically impossible to drink enough fluids in a short amount of time? Well that study AND OTHERS point to it being possible in the amount of time from when Diaz finished his fight and TEST #3!!! YET I DO NOT RECALL YOU THEN SAYING THAT YOU WERE WROOOOONG!!! and that is what YOU thought because you agreed with the expert witness but I did NOT!!!

"You goofed here. Just ****ing admit it." Ooops




Funny that now you want me to speculate? How come?

As I stated before, we cannot know what Floyd did exactly nor what Diaz did exactly but one thing is for sure is that FLoyd admitted to using a banned method and Diaz tested positive TWICE by QUEST due to their 2 step approach.

There are really too many variables to consider as stated by YOUR OWN EXPERT!

BUT as I pointed out, its possible to dilute but that your EXPERT didn't want to say. Why? Because he knows that with just a few liters of water, Diaz could have diluted his urine sample just enough to test negative. Now add that it could have been an electrolyte solution where there would be a lot less risk involved, it makes that impossibility POSSIBLE!!! Fire that expert!!!

but if you actually listen to his response, he did like you did.
Cut the time to between TEST #2 and #3 which is incorrect! It should be from when his fight ends (can add some time) to TEST #3.....
BUT the doctor also says something like "If its from hydration alone its not medically plausible." Well, what if its not just hydration alone and what if its not just water and again, add some more time!!!



One of the best lines to come out of it was when the court asked the "expert" some questions:

QUESTION 1) Have you reviewed Quest and other clients before?
EXPERTS RESPONSE: Yes. Example? Loews Home Improvements testing program (uses QUEST)
QUESTION 2) Have you ever heard of Quest being wrong on a marijuana test?
EXPERTS RESPONSE: No!


This expert knows QUEST and never ever found a false marijuana test result!!!! BOOM!!!






Clown? I prefer to just discuss but perhaps you are looking in the mirror again? You are trying to defend someone who doesn't say that he didn't use. He says he didn't use during in-competition so it should be OK .... but keep on looking bad on this .... THIS IS TOO EASY and you know it! You never had a shot! You are looking at this like Diaz's lawyers did and made the same mistakes!


Diaz's own expert witness put the nails in the coffin. The rest was all academic.

GAME OVER!!!! YOU ARE WROOOONG!



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LMAO. LOOK AT YOU. YOU'RE AN ABSOLUTE CLOWN, DUDE. IF YOU WERE SURE OF THIS BULL****, YOU WOULD ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE. BUT YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO MENTION IT, DO YOU?

1st part of your post: irrelevant. WADA clearly states that it's not dilute if it's at 1.005 or higher. So get out of here with that useless garbage.

2nd part: You were a damn fool to believe 10,000ng would be diluted with 12oz of water. You dope.

And what the hell are you saying that I should admit that I was wrong about? IT IS MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DRINK ENOUGH WATER TO COME DOWN FROM 733NG, 300NG, WHICHEVER OF THE TWO YOU WANT TO GO FOR IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME DIAZ HAD. THE STUDY YOU SHOWED HAD THEM DRINKING A GALLON OVER 4 HOURS, AND THEY STILL HAD NOWHERE NEAR THIS MUCH OF A LEAP! YOU FOOL! HOW THE **** IS HE GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED FOR ONE TEST AND THEN HYDRATED ENOUGH TO DROP THE METABOLITES TO THAT LEVEL 75 MINUTES LATER. YOU ARE A MORON AND NO ONE BELIEVES YOU. THAT'S WHY YOU ARE AFRAID TO TAKE THIS TO THE THUNDERDOME. GO FIND SOMEONE ONLINE WHO TAKES YOUR SIDE ON THIS ISSUE BESIDES NSAC.


And really....you think it's significant that he has never known them to mess up a marijuana test? LMAO. You are so ****ing desperate.


I'm sick of this. I'm going to embarrass you. Step the **** up and let's take this to the thunderdome.

I want you to answer 1 question for me. One question only. Thunderdome? Yes or no? Stop being a pvssy! Just answer that question. Let's see if you can get your balls out ya purse. If not....you lose!