Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[Shape up]

Now read what just was posted ****head, home IV requires a prior TUE ****head

[travestyny]

Advisory:

Even if the substance delivered by intravenous infusion is permitted (e.g., iron), the method is prohibited if given outside of a hospital/surgery/ admission/surgery/clinical investigation because it is diluted in more than 50 milliliters of fluid. Intravenous injections of less than 50mL are only prohibited if the substance is included on the prohibited list. ---------------- do you know what " not allowed " means ****head, smashed you like the slug you are nobjockey

Only thing you smash is your hillbilly sister and ya moms on Sunday. You can't ****ing read. I've posted the relevant links for you multiple times. You are hopeless.

[travestyny]

Now read what just was posted ****head, home IV requires a prior TUE ****head

Do you not see where it says retroactive in my quote? Not only that, but the quote was a response to THIS EXACT INSTANCE. THIS EXACT FIGHT.

"WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration."

See it? Got it? Now shut the **** up, clown.

[travestyny]

1) Are you saying that at TEST 2 the urine sample should have been fully diluted? Not slightly dehydrated? What are you saying?

This depends on your speculation. When exactly do you think Diaz began drinking this mass amount of water large enough to put him into a coma? The fight ended an hour before the test took place. When did he start drinking in your estimation? Be careful. The more you wait, the more implausible it becomes. BUT...the earlier you speculate, the more likely he won't be slightly dehydrated for test 2, which he in fact was. So how are you going to play out your speculation? Do you get it now? EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU ARE WRONG! But just for shlts and giggles, and since you like to speculate, please tell me when you believe he started drinking after the fight.

2) Studies are controlled. Diaz was not in that type of setup. You have no idea what he did. You just got fooled by whatever Diaz's subjective "expert" had to say. He said impossible. I gave you several ways that make it possible! Sorry.

Why do you keep saying you gave several ways that it was possible? Serious question. I have not read one way that this was possible from you. Inform me of what I missed.

3) I keep on reading The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. So I'm not sure where you are getting 1.009 from.

Your numbers are wrong. It was 1.002 and 1.009. Now pay attention. Eichner of SMRTL labs does say 1.020 is ideal, but he also says, "Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."
http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/...tic-commission

4) Again, you have no idea what DIAZ did. It could have very well be a combination of things. Furthermore, it could have been a drink with lots of electrolytes so that the risk would be minimized. Diaz has done it before so he would know what he was doing. I understand the "expert" trying to give a subjective point of view so that Diaz wins his case but why are you going along with that? Again, Diaz is an admitted user and continues to state that he uses.

Don't you get tired of speculating? Here you go again. This is like Floyd having an IV waiting for him at the back of the MGM. Now it's Diaz who has an IV waiting for him in the back. Jesus Christ! And you ask me why I'm going along with an expert??????????? Are you ****ing kidding me??????? DO YOU EXPECT ME TO GO ALONG WITH YOU INSTEAD OF A MEDICAL REVIEW OFFICER WHOSE JOB FOR OVER 20 YEARS IS REVIEWING DRUG TESTING, MAKING AN EXPERT OPINION ON THEM, AND OFFERING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THEM??? JUST TYPING THIS RIGHT NOW LITERALLY MAKES ME WANT TO BASH MY KEYBOARD IN!!!!! THIS IS WHY I SOMETIMES TYPE TO YOU IN BLATANT DISRESPECT! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???

YES, HE USES. THE QUESTION IS WHY DID NSAC CHOOSE ONE TEST FROM A NON-WADA ACCREDITED LAB THAT ADMITTED TO ****ING UP THE SAMPLE'S CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND ****ING UP THE ANONYMITY OF THE SAMPLE OVER 2 TESTS FROM A WADA ACCREDITED LAB THAT WAS CONSISTENT. THE NON WADA LAB HAD A VALUE THAT WAS TWELVE TIMES HIGHER THAN THE WADA LAB. TWELVE TIMES HIGHER!!!!!!! FOR AS MUCH AS NSAC SUCKS WADA'S ****, YOU'D THINK THEY WOULDN'T DREAM OF GOING AGAINST THE WADA LAB. THEY ADMIT THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY DON'T USE WADA STANDARDS COMPLETELY IS BECAUSE OF MONEY. WELL WHY DO YOU THINK IT COSTS SO MUCH? IF YOU WANT THE BEST, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!

IV: If Floyd would not have said that he used an IV and I would have brought it up as a possibility how would your statement sound? Same with Lance Armstrong and many others. Diaz said that he tries to dilute his urine samples so that he does not get detected. The WADA LAB reported that Diaz's urine samples were diluted and one of them surpassed the threshold. You think its just a coincidence?

You have a mighty steep hill to climb and you are running around in circles!

You keep saying this. When did Diaz say he tried to dilute this test? HE DELAYED APPLYING FOR REINSTATEMENT AND WENT TO GET HIMSELF TESTED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO MAKE SURE HE COULD PASS THE TEST....SO HOW IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH HIM THEN FAILING THIS TEST? DID YOU KNOW THAT??? HE GOT HIMSELF TESTED TO MAKE SURE HE COULD PASS BEFORE HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION FOR REINSTATEMENT, WHICH WAS 3 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT. DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT JUST TO SMOKE MARIJUANA AGAIN RIGHT BEFORE WHEN HE KNEW HE WOULD BE TESTED????.

Do you see why the facts don't add up for you? I'll find the video for you to confirm the exact numbers being read straight from the documents soon.

[travestyny]

As for your numbers, I'm just asking because the articles on Diaz then are all over the place. If you can find the actual results from the lab that would be great. I know that there is a video of the case that I did watch parts of many months back. That may have the numbers.


EXAMPLES that you had different:
"Marijuana metabolites in Diaz’s urine sample were measured at 300 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml), NSAC Executive Director Bob Bennett today confirmed with MMAjunkie. The level is double the 150 ng/mL limit set in 2013 after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and NSAC raised its testing threshold."

"The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. A reading of 1.000 indicates water.

Found it. Here is the proof that you are WRONG that the specific gravity was 1.003 and 1.006. Here is also proof that you are WRONG that the marijuana metabolites found by Quest was 300ng/ml.

As I said:
Specific Gravity:
Pre-Fight: 1.002
Post-Fight: 1.009

Marijuana Metabolites
41.731ng/ml -- Pre-Fight 7:12pm
733.23ng/ml -- Post-Fight Test 1 10:38pm
61.104ng/ml -- Post-Fight Test 2 11:55pm

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERRRR. AND IT HAPPENED TO COME FROM A NON-ACCREDITED LAB WHO ****ED UP THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND ANONYMITY OF THE SAMPLE!!!

Video will begin and start at relevant parts. Feel free to check out the entire proceeding.



Now are you man enough to admit you were offering your "expert" opinion based on false numbers? You better admit you were WRONG.

[Shape up]

****head, was Floyd given an IV at home, yes he was, so the wada rules state he needs a PRIOR TUE for that infusion, you need to pull floyds snag out of your mouth and concentrate ****head

[travestyny]

****head, was Floyd given an IV at home, yes he was, so the wada rules state he needs a PRIOR TUE for that infusion, you need to pull floyds snag out of your mouth and concentrate ****head

 All IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6 hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations, without an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration.

Learn how to read, then take ya moms **** outta ya mouth, bltch. Thanks.

[ADP02]

Floyd did not need an IV and you know it. Just the way you are handling the **** Diaz stuff proves my point.

If we had a video of Floyd admitting that he used the IV illegally you would still find something to say to protect your hero. Sad stuff!


Why did someone who fits the below need an IV?:
- said on the pre-fight form that he was OK
- vitals sings were normal
- rock solid weight for a decade
- rock solid weight for 30 days prior to the fight
- was drinking regularly at the weigh in
- admitted not having issues making weight.
- Did not notify the NSAC about his serious medical condition
- Lied about why he needed an IV
- Said he would just relax and just workout "a little bit" to "shake out" and "stay sharp"

WADA:
"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."


USADA
guidelines for proper hydration
•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid

We been through this. Your defense is that the TUEC is biased and helped him cheat.

Nice speculation once again.

Floyd had NOT just completed training that day. So its even worse than what WADA questions as not a valid reason for Floyd.

So Floyd was not at the end of a heavy duty strenuous exercise but needs an IV? And that was Floyd's BS excuse for an IV. You cannot make this SH$T up!


What I said about the TUEC is that its established by USADA and they can discuss the case with USADA.




"It is the responsibility of the ADO (USADA) to appoint a team of qualified physicians that will serve as the TUEC and review the TUE application." BOOM!

[travestyny]

Floyd had NOT just completed training that day. So its even worse than what WADA questions as not a valid reason for Floyd.

So Floyd was not at the end of a heavy duty strenuous exercise but needs an IV? And that was Floyd's BS excuse for an IV. You cannot make this SH$T up!


What I said about the TUEC is that its established by USADA and they can discuss the case with USADA.




"It is the responsibility of the ADO (USADA) to appoint a team of qualified physicians that will serve as the TUEC and review the TUE application." BOOM!

Can you stop with the Boom Shlt. It's annoying, especially when you've stated nothing of substance. You are still speculating that the TUEC is crooked, just as you can speculate that the lab is crooked since it is chosen by USADA.

BUT HEY, I don't expect any less from someone who has accused the ref, the judges, NSAC, USADA, WADA, and anyone else plus their momma for Pacquiao's loss. Time for you to get over it.

[ADP02]

This depends on your speculation. When exactly do you think Diaz began drinking this mass amount of water large enough to put him into a coma? The fight ended an hour before the test took place. When did he start drinking in your estimation? Be careful. The more you wait, the more implausible it becomes. BUT...the earlier you speculate, the more likely he won't be slightly dehydrated for test 2, which he in fact was. So how are you going to play out your speculation? Do you get it now? EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU ARE WRONG! But just for shlts and giggles, and since you like to speculate, please tell me when you believe he started drinking after the fight.



Why do you keep saying you gave several ways that it was possible? Serious question. I have not read one way that this was possible from you. Inform me of what I missed.



Your numbers are wrong. It was 1.002 and 1.009. Now pay attention. Eichner of SMRTL labs does say 1.020 is ideal, but he also says, "Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."
http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/...tic-commission



Don't you get tired of speculating? Here you go again. This is like Floyd having an IV waiting for him at the back of the MGM. Now it's Diaz who has an IV waiting for him in the back. Jesus Christ! And you ask me why I'm going along with an expert??????????? Are you ****ing kidding me??????? DO YOU EXPECT ME TO GO ALONG WITH YOU INSTEAD OF A MEDICAL REVIEW OFFICER WHOSE JOB FOR OVER 20 YEARS IS REVIEWING DRUG TESTING, MAKING AN EXPERT OPINION ON THEM, AND OFFERING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THEM??? JUST TYPING THIS RIGHT NOW LITERALLY MAKES ME WANT TO BASH MY KEYBOARD IN!!!!! THIS IS WHY I SOMETIMES TYPE TO YOU IN BLATANT DISRESPECT! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???

YES, HE USES. THE QUESTION IS WHY DID NSAC CHOOSE ONE TEST FROM A NON-WADA ACCREDITED LAB THAT ADMITTED TO ****ING UP THE SAMPLE'S CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND ****ING UP THE ANONYMITY OF THE SAMPLE OVER 2 TESTS FROM A WADA ACCREDITED LAB THAT WAS CONSISTENT. THE NON WADA LAB HAD A VALUE THAT WAS TWELVE TIMES HIGHER THAN THE WADA LAB. TWELVE TIMES HIGHER!!!!!!! FOR AS MUCH AS NSAC SUCKS WADA'S ****, YOU'D THINK THEY WOULDN'T DREAM OF GOING AGAINST THE WADA LAB. THEY ADMIT THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY DON'T USE WADA STANDARDS COMPLETELY IS BECAUSE OF MONEY. WELL WHY DO YOU THINK IT COSTS SO MUCH? IF YOU WANT THE BEST, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!



You keep saying this. When did Diaz say he tried to dilute this test? HE DELAYED APPLYING FOR REINSTATEMENT AND WENT TO GET HIMSELF TESTED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO MAKE SURE HE COULD PASS THE TEST....SO HOW IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH HIM THEN FAILING THIS TEST? DID YOU KNOW THAT??? HE GOT HIMSELF TESTED TO MAKE SURE HE COULD PASS BEFORE HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION FOR REINSTATEMENT, WHICH WAS 3 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT. DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT JUST TO SMOKE MARIJUANA AGAIN RIGHT BEFORE WHEN HE KNEW HE WOULD BE TESTED????.

Do you see why the facts don't add up for you? I'll find the video for you to confirm the exact numbers being read straight from the documents soon.

Funny stuff.

I'm NOT wrong when all I'm doing is C/P what ESPN and others reported. You can say that they have it wrong .... I didn't check the video yet:
"The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. A reading of 1.000 indicates water."


You are using the defense witness to say that I'm wrong and speculating. Well that is wrong actually because all I'm doing is reporting the results. The results point to DIAZ testing positively!

You are speculating that the DEFENSE's witness must be right and there are no other possibilities. Nice try!


Coma? So you are saying that its impossible to drink fluids to dilute because they would be in a coma? Funny stuff. While there is a definite risk involved, lots of people try to dilute their urine in that manner. Unless they cannot get alternatives, its by way of water but either way, the smart way is to include electrolytes at the correct proportion.

Again, you have no idea what Diaz did and speculating. Did he drink water, Electrolytes, IV, Combination of items?



Now for the kicker. You say that someone cannot drink so much or else they would get into a coma.
Well there were witnesses of Diaz doing just that when he was caught the previous time:

"In fact, the NSAC executive director left no mistake about it when he reiterated his claim that Nick Diaz drank 24 bottles of water after his UFC 143 defeat against current interim welterweight champion Carlos Condit. Diaz allegedly did so to cleanse his system before his pre-fight drug test, which resulted in a positive test for marijuana metabolites.

Kizer described the scenario in detail to MiddleEasy, telling them where that news came from:

“
[That story] came from [Diaz] drinking a lot of water afterwards.

Those water bottles were 8-ounce bottles, so 24 bottles is about a gallon-and-a-half if my math is right. I saw what [Diaz] drank. And we know why. And you can play games about it if you want, but we know why."


Here it is .......... BOOM!!!




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