Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[Zaroku]

and the kicker is that Manny never used it!

Yet they are OK with Floyd using a banned method with no prior TUE approval and all signs pointing to Floyd not requiring an IV.

How do you know, PAC never used it? Never used it ever? Meth head, Shaba smoking manny crack pipe never lied?

**** them all.

End thread.

[ADP02]

Oh...you mean THE SAME WITNESS THAT SAID THIS:

"Obviously, we don't want a sample that is too dilute. It's hard to find levels of what you're looking for. Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."
http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/...tic-commission

LMAO. YOU GOT OWNED YET AGAIN.


NOW PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE LEVELS GOT DOWN FROM OVER 300NG TO 61NG IN 75 MINUTES. IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT, TELL ME WHY HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY IS 1.009. YOU ARE A CLOWN!

That article brings up several points:
"The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. A reading of 1.000 indicates water. We can take it a little more diluted than that, but that's what is ideal," Eichner said. "Obviously, we don't want a sample that is too dilute. It's hard to find levels of what you're looking for. Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008.""

1) Why does the article mention 1.006? Maybe there was a mistake somewhere? Maybe there were 2 tests (DCO and LAB?)
"specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. "

2) What they prefer so that they get a correct concentration is 1.020
"According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. "

3) Now that we read it in context, what he is saying is that those numbers are diluted concentrations but they will accept a lower number
"Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."


BUT my point still stands
in that when the specific gravity goes back up to normal, there is still a possibility that the urine will show up negative as pointed out in the studies!

Secondly,
as pointed out by certain studies, some subjects required less fluid intake while some more time to turn negative!

Third point,
while you and your expert said "medically impossible, I already pointed out several reasons why its NOT impossible.

4th point,
YOU did not understand what your "expert" was trying to do. He was formulating his response in a certain way to make its seem like its impossible BUT when asked a direct question, he couldn't or DIDN'T want to answer because the "expert" knows
that there are different ways that make it possible.

5th point
Besides the limitations that I already pointed out, there are more when it comes to specific gravity testing:
"Other limitations should also be recognized in the use of specific gravity and creatinine for urinary concentration adjustments.
It is known that a number of physiological factors can
influence specific gravity and creatinine measures. Urine specific gravity measures reflect the amount of dissolved substances present. Glucose, protein, or dyes used in diagnostic tests increase specific gravity,"


Finally, Diaz admits to smoking and says that he stops around 8 days before a fight. Someone who smokes like Diaz will definitely have metabolites when tested so to beat the system, as Diaz also admits to, he needs to dilute his system.

Diaz also went on record saying he refuses to stop smoking despite it being against the commissions policies.


This is a no win situation for you. BUT do not be hard on yourself ...... CLOWN

[ADP02]

How do you PAC never used it? Never used it ever? Meth head, Shaba smoking manny crack pipe never lied?

**** them all.

End thread.

Floyd admitted to using a banned method just before giving his urine sample. See the difference?


Now besides all the BS excuses all you need to do is check studies and know that Floyd was not severally dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

Secondly, how can someone go so many hours without being able to urinate? Floyd was seen drinking fluids. That speeds up the rate BIG TIME!!! None of it adds up.

Nick Diaz tried to get a TUE BEFORE the fight but couldn't.
Floyd gets one 3 weeks AFTER the fight!!!!

The NSAC gets people for not notifying nor putting their medical issues or meds on the form. Diaz, Manny, .... and so on. No problem BUT what about the NEVADA resident Floyd? Nevada SAC is OK with Floyd .....

[Zaroku]

Floyd admitted to using a banned method just before giving his urine sample. See the difference?


Now besides all the BS excuses all you need to do is check studies and know that Floyd was not severally dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV.

Secondly, how can someone go so many hours without being able to urinate? Floyd was seen drinking fluids. That speeds up the rate BIG TIME!!! None of it adds up.

Nick Diaz tried to get a TUE BEFORE the fight but couldn't.
Floyd gets one 3 weeks AFTER the fight!!!!

The NSAC gets people for not notifying nor putting their medical issues or meds on the form. Diaz, Manny, .... and so on. No problem BUT what about the NEVADA resident Floyd? Nevada SAC is OK with Floyd .....

That fight seems to have meant the world to you. I feel for you Hermano. The pain and angst Floyd caused you is really amazing.

Hopefully someday you'll be able to move forward.

Peace.

[travestyny]

That article brings up several points:
"The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. A reading of 1.000 indicates water. We can take it a little more diluted than that, but that's what is ideal," Eichner said. "Obviously, we don't want a sample that is too dilute. It's hard to find levels of what you're looking for. Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008.""

1) Why does the article mention 1.006? Maybe there was a mistake somewhere? Maybe there were 2 tests (DCO and LAB?)
"specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. "

2) What they prefer so that they get a correct concentration is 1.020
"According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. "

3) Now that we read it in context, what he is saying is that those numbers are diluted concentrations but they will accept a lower number
"Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."


BUT my point still stands
in that when the specific gravity goes back up to normal, there is still a possibility that the urine will show up negative as pointed out in the studies!

Secondly,
as pointed out by certain studies, some subjects required less fluid intake while some more time to turn negative!

Third point,
while you and your expert said "medically impossible, I already pointed out several reasons why its NOT impossible.

4th point,
YOU did not understand what your "expert" was trying to do. He was formulating his response in a certain way to make its seem like its impossible BUT when asked a direct question, he couldn't or DIDN'T want to answer because the "expert" knows
that there are different ways that make it possible.

5th point
Besides the limitations that I already pointed out, there are more when it comes to specific gravity testing:
"Other limitations should also be recognized in the use of specific gravity and creatinine for urinary concentration adjustments.
It is known that a number of physiological factors can
influence specific gravity and creatinine measures. Urine specific gravity measures reflect the amount of dissolved substances present. Glucose, protein, or dyes used in diagnostic tests increase specific gravity,"


Finally, Diaz admits to smoking and says that he stops around 8 days before a fight. Someone who smokes like Diaz will definitely have metabolites when tested so to beat the system, as Diaz also admits to, he needs to dilute his system.

Diaz also went on record saying he refuses to stop smoking despite it being against the commissions policies.


This is a no win situation for you. BUT do not be hard on yourself ...... CLOWN

I asked you to answer 1 question. Thunderdome? Yes or no.

You know that I've destroyed you on this topic. That's why you won't consider it. Once again. Thunderdome??? Yes or no. I repeat, a no is a sure sign that you know you lost.

What's it going to be?

[travestyny]

That article brings up several points:
"The SMRTL tests produced specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. A reading of 1.000 indicates water. We can take it a little more diluted than that, but that's what is ideal," Eichner said. "Obviously, we don't want a sample that is too dilute. It's hard to find levels of what you're looking for. Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008.""

1) Why does the article mention 1.006? Maybe there was a mistake somewhere? Maybe there were 2 tests (DCO and LAB?)
"specific gravity readings of 1.003 and 1.006. "

2) What they prefer so that they get a correct concentration is 1.020
"According to Eichner, "ideal" specific gravity for a urine sample is approximately 1.020. "

3) Now that we read it in context, what he is saying is that those numbers are diluted concentrations but they will accept a lower number
"Ideally, we try to make sure nothing is diluted more than 1.008."

So he did say that ideally, they don't want it to be less than 1.008. Thank you for confirming what I already told you. Do you also care to do some research and confirm that normal SPG is 1.002 - 1.030? You asked me for the information, I gave it to you, then didn't hear a chirp about it.

BUT my point still stands
in that when the specific gravity goes back up to normal, there is still a possibility that the urine will show up negative as pointed out in the studies!

Secondly,
as pointed out by certain studies, some subjects required less fluid intake while some more time to turn negative!

How long does it take for the SPG to return to normal. I presented information to you about this. You went silent again. And by less fluid, how much less. I'll return to both of these points at the end.

Third point,
while you and your expert said "medically impossible, I already pointed out several reasons why its NOT impossible.

No you didn't. I must have missed it. Please tell me why this is medically possible. Again, I'll return to this at the end.

4th point,
YOU did not understand what your "expert" was trying to do. He was formulating his response in a certain way to make its seem like its impossible BUT when asked a direct question, he couldn't or DIDN'T want to answer because the "expert" knows
that there are different ways that make it possible.

I've asked you over and over how. You mumble about electrolytes. Any evidence would be appreciated, because I'm sure as hell going to show you some evidence at the end of this message.

5th point
Besides the limitations that I already pointed out, there are more when it comes to specific gravity testing:
"Other limitations should also be recognized in the use of specific gravity and creatinine for urinary concentration adjustments.
It is known that a number of physiological factors can
influence specific gravity and creatinine measures. Urine specific gravity measures reflect the amount of dissolved substances present. Glucose, protein, or dyes used in diagnostic tests increase specific gravity,"

Fail to see your point. Are you speculating that he somehow could affect his specific gravity while the DCO from SMRTL was present. You do realize the DCO was there for the QUEST sample, as well, right? The DCO from SMRTL watched him chugging water, right? LMAO

Finally, Diaz admits to smoking and says that he stops around 8 days before a fight. Someone who smokes like Diaz will definitely have metabolites when tested so to beat the system, as Diaz also admits to, he needs to dilute his system.

Diaz also went on record saying he refuses to stop smoking despite it being against the commissions policies.


This is a no win situation for you. BUT do not be hard on yourself ...... CLOWN

His metabolites were low for the tests he did himself, so why would they skyrocket later. Makes no sense.


Now read carefully, clown.

LD50 of water for a 165lb person is 6 liters.

The above information is for DEATH. There would be symptoms before that happens, none of which Diaz had after his fight. You claimed that Diaz previously drank 5 liters of water after a fight, and he FAILED! Makes sense that he would need to drink more than 5 liters. But lets go further using the information you found.

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-23%20at%206.18.34%20AM.png[/IMG]

Again, subject D is 207lbs.
After 1 gallon of water (3.79 liters) in 4 hours, specific gravity went to 1.001. After 2 hours and 2 quarts of water, specific gravity was 1.005. Marijuana metabolite went from 53ng to as low as 7ng after the one gallon.


Now...HOW THE **** DOES DIAZ DRINK ENOUGH WATER TO DILUTE OVER 300NG IN EVEN 2 HOURS, WHICH WE BOTH KNOW SHOULD REALLY BE 1HOUR 15MINUTES. THERE IS NO ****ING WAY THAT HE DRANK ENOUGH TO DILUTE THIS SAMPLE AND HAVE NO SYMPTOMS OF HYPONATREMIA. THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE DRANK THAT AMOUNT IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY IS AT 1.009. TO MAKE THIS CLEAR:

1. SPECIFIC GRAVITY WOULD HAVE BEEN LOWER THAN 1.009. EVEN AFTER 2 QUARTS OF WATER IT BEGINS TO FALL LOWER THAN THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT IN THE STUDY. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG!

2. IN THE STUDY, SPECIFIC GRAVITY BEGINS TO RETURN TO NORMAL AFTER 6 HOURS. THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF TIME FOR ANY SUBJECT FOR IT TO BEGIN TO RETURN TO NORMAL WAS 4 HOURS I BELIEVE. THERE WAS NO TIME FOR IT TO RETURN TO NORMAL FOR HIM. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.

3. WITH A GALLON OF WATER, THE SUBJECT ONLY WENT FROM 53NG TO 5 NG. NONE OF THE SUBJECTS WENT FROM ANYWHERE NEAR 300NG DOWN TO A PASSABLE AMOUNT. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.

4. THE SMRTL DCO WAS PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE DCO FROM QUEST(THE NSAC OFFICIAL). PRESENT FOR THE QUEST COLLECTION AND THEN GOT HIS SAMPLE. YOU'RE TELLING ME THE DCO WATCHED NICK DIAZ DRANK OVER 5 LITERS OF WATER? LMAOOOOOO UNBELIEVABLE

YOU GOT BODIED BY YOUR OWN STUDY THAT YOU SHOWED, YOUR EVIDENCE IS COMPLETELY LACKING AND BASED ON SPECULATION, AND IT'S NON-COMMON SENSICAL!


AND AGAIN, THUNDERDOME? YES OR NO?

[ADP02]

Deflections, deflections!!!!

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!!!!

So he did say that ideally, they don't want it to be less than 1.008. Thank you for confirming what I already told you. Do you also care to do some research and confirm that normal SPG is 1.002 - 1.030? You asked me for the information, I gave it to you, then didn't hear a chirp about it.

He said that ideally at 1.020 but if its diluted then they do not want to go under a certain number because the lower they go the higher the probability that the concentrations of the banned substance will be below the threshold.

You said normal SPG is 1.002 - 1.030? What are you getting on with this?

How long does it take for the SPG to return to normal. I presented information to you about this. You went silent again. And by less fluid, how much less. I'll return to both of these points at the end.

THere are plenty of variables, as I keep telling you. Is that so hard of a concept to understand?
I gave you enough information in the previous post to make you say that you and your "expert" are WROOOONNNG!!!

No you didn't. I must have missed it. Please tell me why this is medically possible. Again, I'll return to this at the end.

With a few liters of fluid, maybe a bit more or maybe less, he would be able to BUT again, every case is different. Your "expert" avoided answering this even if it meant saving Diaz. You know why? Well because its not "medically impossible" as he initially tried to convey!

I've asked you over and over how. You mumble about electrolytes. Any evidence would be appreciated, because I'm sure as hell going to show you some evidence at the end of this message.

AGAIN, I pointed to the limitations of specific gravity testing. Its a tool but not a catch all. I pointed out limitations and then also pointed to you "OTHER LIMITATIONS".
And from your post, you too are starting to see the light ....

Fail to see your point. Are you speculating that he somehow could affect his specific gravity while the DCO from SMRTL was present. You do realize the DCO was there for the QUEST sample, as well, right? The DCO from SMRTL watched him chugging water, right? LMAO

You sound just like a Lance Armstrong fan. Well, now we know that Lance Armstrong did it right under the DCO's nose. Plenty of other stories just like it. You keep on saying "IT's IMPOSSIBLE" .....

but

the truth shoots you down ... Even just one time makes something that is said to be impossible, possible! BUT there is way more than that here.

but continue reading as there more on this below.

His metabolites were low for the tests he did himself, so why would they skyrocket later. Makes no sense.


Now read carefully, clown.

LD50 of water for a 165lb person is 6 liters.

The above information is for DEATH. There would be symptoms before that happens, none of which Diaz had after his fight. You claimed that Diaz previously drank 5 liters of water after a fight, and he FAILED! Makes sense that he would need to drink more than 5 liters. But lets go further using the information you found.

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-23%20at%206.18.34%20AM.png[/IMG]

Again, subject D is 207lbs.
After 1 gallon of water (3.79 liters) in 4 hours, specific gravity went to 1.001. After 2 hours and 2 quarts of water, specific gravity was 1.005. Marijuana metabolite went from 53ng to as low as 7ng after the one gallon.


Now...HOW THE **** DOES DIAZ DRINK ENOUGH WATER TO DILUTE OVER 300NG IN EVEN 2 HOURS, WHICH WE BOTH KNOW SHOULD REALLY BE 1HOUR 15MINUTES. THERE IS NO ****ING WAY THAT HE DRANK ENOUGH TO DILUTE THIS SAMPLE AND HAVE NO SYMPTOMS OF HYPONATREMIA. THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE DRANK THAT AMOUNT IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY IS AT 1.009. TO MAKE THIS CLEAR:

1. SPECIFIC GRAVITY WOULD HAVE BEEN LOWER THAN 1.009. EVEN AFTER 2 QUARTS OF WATER IT BEGINS TO FALL LOWER THAN THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT IN THE STUDY. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG!

2. IN THE STUDY, SPECIFIC GRAVITY BEGINS TO RETURN TO NORMAL AFTER 6 HOURS. THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF TIME FOR ANY SUBJECT FOR IT TO BEGIN TO RETURN TO NORMAL WAS 4 HOURS I BELIEVE. THERE WAS NO TIME FOR IT TO RETURN TO NORMAL FOR HIM. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.

3. WITH A GALLON OF WATER, THE SUBJECT ONLY WENT FROM 53NG TO 5 NG. NONE OF THE SUBJECTS WENT FROM ANYWHERE NEAR 300NG DOWN TO A PASSABLE AMOUNT. ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.

4. THE SMRTL DCO WAS PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE DCO FROM QUEST(THE NSAC OFFICIAL). PRESENT FOR THE QUEST COLLECTION AND THEN GOT HIS SAMPLE. YOU'RE TELLING ME THE DCO WATCHED NICK DIAZ DRANK OVER 5 LITERS OF WATER? LMAOOOOOO UNBELIEVABLE

YOU GOT BODIED BY YOUR OWN STUDY THAT YOU SHOWED, YOUR EVIDENCE IS COMPLETELY LACKING AND BASED ON SPECULATION, AND IT'S NON-COMMON SENSICAL!


AND AGAIN, THUNDERDOME? YES OR NO?

First of all it was said that there were witnesses who saw Diaz drinking. So its not my speculation but what was reported.
Secondly, this is NOT Diaz's first time doing this type of stuff. So to say, he knew what he was doing. To make it clear, if he is able to counter by providing his body with

enough electrolytes then he can get away with drinking fluids.

BUT as pointed in the study, he does NOT need to drink that much!


1. Not if its countered with one of the limitations of specific gravity but I'm glad to see that you are now stating this as I have been trying to tell you this for a while now ..... but unless you are just not being clear, first you say that its not possible but now you are saying that its possible with as little as 2 quarts? So again, since its about time that you came around to this conclusion,

so how can I be wrong when I pointed it to YOU already?


2. Actually you used to be fighting against me on this point before. If you remember, I brought this point up when we were discussing Floyd. If done right, Floyd could have done the same on May 1st and 2nd, remember? I told you that during one study, it can take up to 8 hours for specific gravity to come back

..... so how can I be wrong when I pointed it to YOU months ago?


Studies are a closed environment. So Floyd and Diaz have that luxury that they can do just about anything while the study has rules, parameters and specific protocols to follow. Still there is a risk.



3. That is one study and Diaz is not part of that study. The counts are different and we do not know how much Diaz drank, right?
But the study said that with just a few quarts in a couple of hours all subjects had a negative result. Again, different numbers but the specific gravity was significantly lowered as you are now in agreement with. Cool!

4. The DCO was there for Lance Armstrong and others. You mean to tell me that the DCO saw the smuggling of an IV right in front of his eyes then use it? Well it has happened to Lance and MANY OTHERS!!!!! As you know, even WADA protocol allows you to drink and in some special cases (FLOYD), to freaking use an IV right in front of the DCO!

What more proof do you want? UNBELIEVABLE!!!



So where were we? ..... .oh yeah, just say that you are WROOOONG!!!



.

[ADP02]

That fight seems to have meant the world to you. I feel for you Hermano. The pain and angst Floyd caused you is really amazing.

Hopefully someday you'll be able to move forward.

Peace.

If you saw me posting before the fight, you would quickly realize that I have not changed much, ... so it has nothing to do with winning or losing.

So its not a matter of pain or whatever. Win or lose, I would still have been posting .....

[travestyny]

Deflections, deflections!!!!

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!!!!



He said that ideally at 1.020 but if its diluted then they do not want to go under a certain number because the lower they go the higher the probability that the concentrations of the banned substance will be below the threshold.

You said normal SPG is 1.002 - 1.030? What are you getting on with this?




THere are plenty of variables, as I keep telling you. Is that so hard of a concept to understand?
I gave you enough information in the previous post to make you say that you and your "expert" are WROOOONNNG!!!



With a few liters of fluid, maybe a bit more or maybe less, he would be able to BUT again, every case is different. Your "expert" avoided answering this even if it meant saving Diaz. You know why? Well because its not "medically impossible" as he initially tried to convey!



AGAIN, I pointed to the limitations of specific gravity testing. Its a tool but not a catch all. I pointed out limitations and then also pointed to you "OTHER LIMITATIONS".
And from your post, you too are starting to see the light ....




You sound just like a Lance Armstrong fan. Well, now we know that Lance Armstrong did it right under the DCO's nose. Plenty of other stories just like it. You keep on saying "IT's IMPOSSIBLE" .....

but

the truth shoots you down ... Even just one time makes something that is said to be impossible, possible! BUT there is way more than that here.

but continue reading as there more on this below.








First of all it was said that there were witnesses who saw Diaz drinking. So its not my speculation but what was reported.
Secondly, this is NOT Diaz's first time doing this type of stuff. So to say, he knew what he was doing. To make it clear, if he is able to counter by providing his body with

enough electrolytes then he can get away with drinking fluids.

BUT as pointed in the study, he does NOT need to drink that much!


1. Not if its countered with one of the limitations of specific gravity but I'm glad to see that you are now stating this as I have been trying to tell you this for a while now ..... but unless you are just not being clear, first you say that its not possible but now you are saying that its possible with as little as 2 quarts? So again, since its about time that you came around to this conclusion,

so how can I be wrong when I pointed it to YOU already?


2. Actually you used to be fighting against me on this point before. If you remember, I brought this point up when we were discussing Floyd. If done right, Floyd could have done the same on May 1st and 2nd, remember? I told you that during one study, it can take up to 8 hours for specific gravity to come back

..... so how can I be wrong when I pointed it to YOU months ago?


Studies are a closed environment. So Floyd and Diaz have that luxury that they can do just about anything while the study has rules, parameters and specific protocols to follow. Still there is a risk.



3. That is one study and Diaz is not part of that study. The counts are different and we do not know how much Diaz drank, right?
But the study said that with just a few quarts in a couple of hours all subjects had a negative result. Again, different numbers but the specific gravity was significantly lowered as you are now in agreement with. Cool!

4. The DCO was there for Lance Armstrong and others. You mean to tell me that the DCO saw the smuggling of an IV right in front of his eyes then use it? Well it has happened to Lance and MANY OTHERS!!!!! As you know, even WADA protocol allows you to drink and in some special cases (FLOYD), to freaking use an IV right in front of the DCO!

What more proof do you want? UNBELIEVABLE!!!



So where were we? ..... .oh yeah, just say that you are WROOOONG!!!



.

You are an absolute moron. Look at all of your speculation and squirming.

TWO DCO's were present. And you are talking about smuggling an IV bag? LMAO!!!

Come on bro. Thunderdome? Yes or no? You know I'm going to destroy you. PLEASE SAY YES!

WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER? YES OR NO?!!!!

[Shape up]

You still haven't answered me about drinking water as an alternative to the IV ****head, floyds own words were his urine as dark, he didn't mention anything else, explain please ****head

Given you plenty of time to make something up ****head