Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

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but WADA says it is! BOOM!

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The metabolites found in the second test was 733ng. The specific numbers I gave can be verified. There are some wrong values in articles online. I can verify all of the numbers.



Dude, this makes absolutely zero sense. The fight ended at 9:34ish. Not sure how much time he spent in the ring after that. The first test was at 10:38pm. So you are trying to argue based on your own speculation that he drank enough water to lower his levels from 733ng to 61ng right after the fight, yet his sample for the drug test came in slightly dehydrated. That's ridiculous and you know it. Get this through your head. AT 10:38PM HE WAS SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED. THIS IS ACCORDING TO QUEST. THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE HAD THAT MUCH WATER IN HIS SYSTEM AND STILL CAME IN SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED. NO CHANCE IN HELL. FURTHERMORE, HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY WAS 1.009 FOR THE THIRD TEST. THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED DILUTED AS PER WADA OR QUEST.



I already went through this. None of the subjects had as many metabolites as Nick Diaz. And the jump in the metabolites was nowhere near as big!!!! NOWHERE CLOSE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!



HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU. I DO BELIEVE HE WAS USING. I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE LAST USED. BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT HIS LEVELS WERE NOWHERE NEAR AS HIGH AS THE SECOND TEST BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE THAT HYDRATING IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME HE HAD WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO BRING HIS LEVEL DOWN THAT MUCH. THE SPECIALIST TESTIFIED THAT IT WOULD HAVE CAUSED HIM TO HAVE A SEVERE CASE OF (OUR GOOD FRIEND) HYPONATREMIA.

GIVE UP. SPECULATING THAT HE WAS HYDRATING IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT TO THAT EXTENT AND HAVING THIS NOT SHOW UP ON THE FIRST POST-FIGHT URINE TEST IS RIDICULOUS. FURTHERMORE, THE NSAC COLLECTION OFFICER STATED THAT NICK HAD TROUBLE URINATING, WHICH MADE THE SAMPLE COLLECTION TAKE EVEN LONGER. WHY WASN'T THIS FIRST POST-FIGHT SAMPLE DILUTED INSTEAD OF SLIGHTLY DEHYDRATED IF HE DRANK SO MUCH AND DELAYED? SO HOW MUCH TIME DID HE HAVE TO TAKE THAT EXTRA WATER? A HALF AN HOUR? THEN SMRTL DCO SHOWS UP AND HE CONTINUES TO HYDRATE IN FRONT OF THE DCO TO AN EXTENT THAT WOULD BRING HIS LEVELS DOWN FROM 733NG TO 61NG???? IT MAKES NO SENSE! HE DRANK THAT MUCH WATER DIRECTLY AFTER THE FIGHT, YET 2 HOURS 20 MINUTES LATER HIS SPECIFIC GRAVITY IS 1.009 AND NOT COMPLETELY OBLITERATED TO DILUTED??? YOU LOSE, AND I TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULD. THIS IS OVER.

As I told you, the "expert" witness is Diaz's so of course he is going to say that its not possible.

Last night I was watching a show (48 hours) and the prosecutor had an "expert" witness. Once the defense was all over his "expert" analysis, he actually admitted that it was possible even though he initially said it was impossible for the woman to have committed suicide.


There are several variables that needs to be taken into account but it still stands that Diaz was suspended 18 months for a violation. Right? Or did I miss something?

So now you see that the fight ended an hour earlier!!! So now add that to the time and you have lots of time. Now of course depending on what Diaz really did. We do not know. Did he get a chance to use an IV to speed things up?

Also, as Diaz's coach even points out, when you exercise you release more from your body. This is because the drug gets stored into your body's fat cells. When you fight the fat is burned off and releasing more than usual.

Used a different LAB so its a different protocol
"Commissioner Lundvall dismissed the notion that the results were flawed, calling Quest’s testing procedures “more sophisticated” than those of SMRTL.
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As I told you, Diaz knew about being tested and drank away to the point where after a 3rd test, he was still showing a dilute urine sample but one which would have passed WADA requirements. This is one of my points. THANKS!!!

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but WADA says it is! BOOM!

See...this is exactly why debating with you has been a waste of time. You will continue to say the same drivel over and over even when you are clearly smart enough to discern the situation, but if it doesn't fit your agenda you will feign ignorance.

WADA says an IV infusion of IV fluid over a certain amount is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE. You know this already! THIS is what WADA says.

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As I told you, the "expert" witness is Diaz's so of course he is going to say that its not possible.

Last night I was watching a show (48 hours) and the prosecutor had an "expert" witness. Once the defense was all over his "expert" analysis, he actually admitted that it was possible even though he initially said it was impossible for the woman to have committed suicide.

Once again, the expert witness is a MEDICAL REVIEW OFFICER and a physician. IT IS HIS JOB TO REVIEW DRUG TESTS IN THESE SITUATIONS. He has been doing that job for 20 years! He is testifying under oath (though this isn't a court of law, but he was sworn in). Furthermore, what he says makes sense when looking at the study that YOU brought up. He testified that the amount needed to do what you are claiming would be exorbitant...around 30 glasses of water. When the "judges" (commissioners) cross examined, seemingly angry (do you really want to discuss who was biased at this proceeding?) the only thing they tried to pin him on was a roundabout amount of water that Diaz would have to drink, and he refused to give an answer because he didn't want to be held to an exact amount. He would only say, over and over again, that it would be medically implausible.

There are several variables that needs to be taken into account but it still stands that Diaz was suspended 18 months for a violation. Right? Or did I miss something?

Again, this has nothing to do with anything other than the NSAC would do what it wanted despite any testimony. The commissioners who acted as judges and called the attorney arguing on their side (yes, their side clearly....which is outrageous) by his first name repeatedly. Calling the witnesses that testified on their side by first name. This proceeding was a joke.

So now you see that the fight ended an hour earlier!!! So now add that to the time and you have lots of time. Now of course depending on what Diaz really did. We do not know. Did he get a chance to use an IV to speed things up?

Wow. Just wow. First of all, yes, the fight ended an hour before the first sample was given. As I stated, I don't know how much more time after that Diaz stayed in the octatgon. I know he did stay for a little while longer to congratulate Silva and what not. Let's say he stayed 5 minutes. Then, you have the DCO for NSAC saying that he delayed because he had difficulty peeing. Let's say he delayed 15 minutes. So he had 40 minutes to drink tons of water before the first post fight test. He drank, and he drank and he drank...and you think his urine sample still comes back slightly dehydrated, as QUEST testified? IMPOSSIBLE! But conveniently for you, you speculate that it does, and that water only begins to effect him after this sample is given. So then he goes back to drinking and drinking and drinking, right in front of the SMRTL DCO. He drank so much water to drop his levels from 733ng to 61ng. Yet, when the specific gravity test is taken, it reports 1.009, which is not diluted by WADA or QUEST standards.

As you can see, YOUR SPECULATION MAKES NO SENSE. Either he began drinking as early as possible, which is caught on the first post-fight test. Or he began drinking much later, and clearly would not have enough time to drink that much water without risking water intoxication, falling into a coma, and dying. He was videotaped during an interview after this time and was found to have no signs of hyponatremia.

AND YOU ALSO GO THERE AND SPECULATE THAT HE COULD HAVE HAD AN IV WAITING FOR HIM IN THE BACK OF THE VENUE???? UNBELIEVABLE! YOU HAVE NOW REACHED THE POINT OF EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!

Also, as Diaz's coach even points out, when you exercise you release more from your body. This is because the drug gets stored into your body's fat cells. When you fight the fat is burned off and releasing more than usual.

2 WADA lab tests showed him under the limit. 1 non-WADA lab showed him far over. That is the issue. We don't need to discuss what his coach said or what his mom said, or his brother Nate.

Used a different LAB so its a different protocol
"Commissioner Lundvall dismissed the notion that the results were flawed, calling Quest’s testing procedures “more sophisticated” than those of SMRTL.
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Oh, the woman who wanted a lifetime ban? The one who made him say "I plead the 5th" about over 20 times? The one who said:

"Quest does a rudimentary type of testing which is less refined than SMRTL."

I've clearly done more research on this topic than you have. What she is trying to skew about the methods to fit her agenda is that Quest does an EMIT test first, and if the sample fails this test, they then go to the GC/MS test.

WADA labs go straight to the GC/MS test. Now you explain to me, looking at the below information, why this would mean the WADA lab is less sophisticated.

The GC/MS is typically used to confirm "positive" EMIT test results. GC/MS will indicate precisely what chemical is present. This is necessary because the EMIT will only indicate whether something similar to what's being tested was found. The GC/MS is difficult and more costly, which is why the EMIT is given first. Abstinence and substitution are the only ways to defeat the GC/MS test. GC/MS is very precise when done right. However, it's still subject to human error. For example, if the equipment isn't cleaned well, the previous test sample could get mixed with the next sample.
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/testing2.html#b

Now, which lab was more likely to have dirty GC/MS equipment? The WADA accredited lab that gave 2 tests and got similar results, or the Quest lab that gave a single test that was out in left field, and also had Nick Diaz name, and also can not be sure of the integrity of the sample based upon the DCO acting on their part ****ing up the chain of custody? You tell me.

As I told you, Diaz knew about being tested and drank away to the point where after a 3rd test, he was still showing a dilute urine sample but one which would have passed WADA requirements. This is one of my points. THANKS!!!

Oh, you must know. I thought you don't like speculation. Problem is, the facts don't fit your agenda.

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See...this is exactly why debating with you has been a waste of time. You will continue to say the same drivel over and over even when you are clearly smart enough to discern the situation, but if it doesn't fit your agenda you will feign ignorance.

WADA says an IV infusion of IV fluid over a certain amount is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE. You know this already! THIS is what WADA says.

So I need to state exactly what WADA says every time I post?

They also say that for mild to moderate dehydration oral rehydration is the way to go. You missed that!!! How come?

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So I need to state exactly what WADA says every time I post?

They also say that for mild to moderate dehydration oral rehydration is the way to go. You missed that!!! How come?

They also said that an IV to combat dehydration is allowed under their rules. They also said the treating physician should state their case for IV use, which will then be sent to the TUEC for approval. When you get Floyd's medical records, please share them with the forum.

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They also said that an IV to combat dehydration is allowed under their rules. They also said the treating physician should state their case for IV use, which will then be sent to the TUEC for approval. When you get Floyd's medical records, please share them with the forum.

It also states that certain requirements have to be met, yet they weren't met, that's why usada and floyd have a corrupt relationship, it's as plain to see as we can see you lick floyds ball sac

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It also states that certain requirements have to be met, yet they weren't met, that's why usada and floyd have a corrupt relationship, it's as plain to see as we can see you lick floyds ball sac

Actually, the criteria were met. It's plain to see you are a moron whom I've shltted on repeatedly here. Go suck a dlck.

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It also states that certain requirements have to be met, yet they weren't met, that's why usada and floyd have a corrupt relationship, it's as plain to see as we can see you lick floyds ball sac

What's also plain to see is that you want to turn a blind eye towards Manny's attempts to cheat by numbing himself with Toradol in an attempt to walk through Floyds punches.

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Actually, the criteria were met. It's plain to see you are a moron whom I've shltted on repeatedly here. Go suck a dlck.

lets see then ******, was floyd admitted to hospital--- NO the IV was performed in his house, FAILED 1ST CRITERIA -------was he having a surgical procedure---NO, WHAT DOCTOR OPERATES IN A LOUNGEROOM AND IF HE WAS BEING OPERATED ON WHY WASNT THE NSAC NOTIFIED, FAILED 2ND CRITERIA, was he in a clinical investigation--- NO, IF HE WAS HED ALREADY HAVE A PRIOR TUE, FAILED 3RD AND LAST CRITERIA, ok ****head explain this, only explaination is that floyd is cosy with usada, you must be jealous of usada eh ****head