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I look at a lot of young prospects still fighting fighters wit losing records or 0 fights period while theyre coming up and im reminded of how fighters like delahoya and holyfield etc get moved up rather fast, in Oscars 5th fight he fought jeff mayweather, then troy dorsey etc fighters that didnt have losing records or no fights period, then i look at holyfield and in his 11th fight i believe he was fightin qawi for the title, thats amazing to me, i know u can counter that by sayin look at fighters like reid and vargas who were supposedly moved along to fast and thats why they lost, but i dont think they were moved along to fast i think they lost because they lost but thats just my opinion, but when i look at fighters wit 15-20+ wins fightin nobodies and people wit losing record i dont think it helps them out really in my opinion. what do u guys think?
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No, I think fighters nowadays are moved along too quick. Guys like Cintron and Mayol had undefeated records, and then the public hypes them up so much that they are rushed into title shots before they are ready. Of course, their are exceptions i.e. fighters from Tennessee who cant fight.
Conversely, in Europe, those guys run up 50-0 records and then get stopped in 3 when they are forced to leave their countries for a title shot. They aren't really moved along too slow, because the majority of them are just hometown faves who get blown away at the first sign of incoming flack. (Valuev, Daamgard, etc.) -
hey yeah there being moved to slow. i would want a fight at least once a month for my first 15 or 20 fights.Comment
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Thats almost nearly impossible. First off, you'd have to avoid any type of exertion or cuts in your fights. A cut will keep you out of the ring for about 6-8 months. If you over-exerted in your last fight and decide to fight again too soon, you will be flat as hell. The its almost impossible to get fights unless you have managerial connections. NO promoter will risk any of his fighters against someone that is not in his stable. There is so much red tape in the pros its unbelievable.Originally posted by mystyal2k5Comment
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when i turn pro i will hopefully fight at least time a month unless i brake my hand or get cut. and then i will go back to fighting alot my first year.Comment
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Originally posted by Asian Sensation
thats not even closely impossible alot of fighters past and present has done it. hell tyson did it 15 times in a year
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Watch Alexander Povetkin.
Just watch his rec on boxrec.Comment
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True, but these guys had the connections. These are fighters who you know, I know, even Tony Blitz knows them. Take this example:Originally posted by mystyal2k5thats not even closely impossible alot of fighters past and present has done it. hell tyson did it 15 times in a year
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=218573
This fighter, Tony Espinoza, is one of the best prospects in boxing IMO. True he goes to my gym and I'm being a little biased, but I have seen this kid destroy some fighters. In sparring sessions, I've seen him knock down Hector Acero Sanchez, rock Kendall Holt's world, and school Paulie Malignaggi. He doesn't get the fights he needs to progress because A)He's too good for his own good and B) He lacks the managerial connections to get him the proper fights.
He is always in tip top shape, but he doesn't get to fight because no promoter without promotional and monetary incentive will risk their fighters against this kid.
In Philadelphia, he was sparring against Jose Reyes, who was fighting Kevin Kelley on the same card as Espinoza's fight. Espinoza's initial opponent suddenly pulled out of the fight after watching Espinoza's straight left hand befuddle and drop Reyes.
While these are detriments to him, they would be assets with a proper promoter.Comment
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Originally posted by Asian Sensation
truuuuuuuuust me if this kid is a good as u makin him out to be they some1 should have checked him out along time ago if he had fights. u made him sound like he's a ko artist mike tyson or something.there is always fights available u jus gotta go find them. and every1 knows a manager would go threw alot to get him fights fi he's that damn good,no 1 is going to ignore moneyComment
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guys like fernando vargas and david reid set the pace for how guys are moved along today managers and promoters dont wanna put to much and realize they can get more if they slow it downComment
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