Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Canelo is Not Smart, He's Scared, Golden Boy is Scared!

[Derranged]

Please point to a single fight where Golovkin has ever taken short money

He made 2.5 million against the French Canuck and French made like 1.5 million me thinks. How much does Jacuck want?

[Eff Pandas]

You can't really respect Golovkin, when he and his camp pulled the same delay tactics with the talks for the Ward fight.

First off I don't buy that the Ward fight was on the table for longer than hours from the sounds of it & it was while a another fight was further along in the pipeline of being made from GGG. Than again I could be wrong about some angles of that whole thing cuz fight talk bs & who came first with what offers is an unwinnable argument for either side for fans. None of us really know what goes on behind the scenes outside of things that get said in articles at future dates or what gets said on social media that could be legit, hype or complete bs & some people don't say **** in public about this stuff & surely everything never gets out so again who f#cking knows for sure what went down.

Plus lets not act like RN isn't ran by idiots who couldn't negotiate $2 off their Taco Bell lunch with a $2 off their Taco Bell lunch coupon so I wouldn't hold my breath that fight was even makeable.

And #2 GGG is got like a dozen mfers who've avoided him in similar & worse ways than people accuse GGG of avoiding Ward with the known info so its hard to suggest you can't respect GGG when he's being avoided way more than he's avoiding others.

Golovkin is openly talking about walking away from an offer of $2m/$3m to fight Canelo

Isn't GGG making $2M fighting Wade's & other randoms these days? If he's making $2M for those fights he for sure be making more for Canelo. And at this point with Canelo running I think you for sure angle for more money vs Canelo gaining back his respect so who gives a f#ck about money talk right now. I don't see that Canelo is even serious about making that fight so how much money GGG would take or not take isn't even in the discussion yet til Canelo mans up.

[QballLobo]

GGG is a good fighter but his team needs to sit him down and let him know the reality of the situation.
They have 0 leverage when talking to Golden Boy. 0.
Canelo's has options, he can make $15 million+ fighting a number of fighters that don't bring the risk of a GGG fight. GGG can't fight anyone else that will bring him above what he has been making.
If this fight ever happens its because GGG and K2 realize time is running out to get paid. Hell if Canelo is such an easy fight why not take the terms given and embarrass him at Canelo's own weight and terms. His legacy would be greatly enhanced. Or he can rely on those paper titles to keep getting him HBO paydays for the next few years.
I say 70/30 split is fair if the fight is at 157.
At 160 GGG would be lucky to get 85/15. Either would be by far his biggest payday.

[SterlingStained]

You gotta read the whole interview. You can tell GGG is tired of Canelo's shit and he aint playing nice anymore. This is the first time I've heard of him saying he hurt Canelo in sparring. I've always suspected it but never heard "the G" admit it. I like this "G" character better than the good boy

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing...nap-story.html

The comments @GGGBoxing provided me when I turned the camera off are incredible. Story coming soon to @latimessports ...

— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) September 2, 2016

“Canelo, he’s talking too much. He’s not smart, not respectful of people,” Golovkin said. “Everybody wants to watch this fight. He’s just scared.”

That feeling dates to sparring sessions that Golovkin had with Alvarez a few years ago in Big Bear, when Golovkin said he hammered Alvarez with a body punch that hurt the Mexican fighter and brought anguish to trainer Eddy Reynoso.

“Canelo and [promoter] Golden Boy — everybody around Canelo — understands, and they’re all scared,” Golovkin said. “He’s their Golden Child. If he’s finished, no money from him, no business.”

“He’s saying September’s the best date,” Golovkin said. “Maybe he’ll fight [Antonio] Margarito, maybe [Manny] Pacquiao or blah, blah, blah before then.

“It’s too much talk from Canelo. He’s not serious. Everybody understands it. People understand that G’s ready and Canelo’s not. He’s under pressure.”

Told of Golovkin’s comments, Golden Boy Promotions executive Eric Gomez told The Times, “We’re going to do our best to make the fight and that’s all I can say. We’ll make our best effort. We want the fight. Canelo wants the fight.”

That’s a comment that will be repeated as the September 2017 date nears, said Golovkin, maintaining that the delay is rooted more in fear than the greed-driven motivation that built the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Manny Pacquiao bout into the richest fight in history.

“The next step is for Canelo to say, ‘I’m ready. I’m size A, [Golovkin] is size B, and I’ll give him $2 million,’” Golovkin predicted. “Then, [Alvarez] can say, ‘What? He won’t take that? He’s not ready? I’m ready.’

“It’s a 50-50 fight, but that’s what he’s going to do. It’s a game to him.”

golden boy rep's response tells me this story was true.

it was a non response deflecting answer.

GGG hurt Canelo and Canelo and his people are running scared.

I respect and love mexican boxing but not canelo's actions.

[richardt]

There's not a middleweight fighter on the planet who walks into the ring at 160lbs. Even Golovkin walks into the ring above 170lbs.

You look at the day of weights for most of the elite junior middleweights on the planet, and you'd clearly see that most of them come into the ring near 170lbs.

And a lot of them are draining themselves to make the lower weights instead of fighting at their natural weight. A man who walks into the ring at 170 plus pounds does not need to grow into a 160 pound fighter, especially since he has not made 154 in a long time. He is already there, that much is obvious. He knows it, the world knows it.

[richardt]

It's very obvious that something happened in Canelo's sparring session with GGG that has given him cause for concern. GGG hurt him, that much is certain.

[aboutfkntime]

i probably fit in with #3. i really dont care about specifics. i mostly care about what happens in the ring. cw/contracts/places/dates....i only have but so many brain cells. been watching boxing since the 80s but was never a hardcore follower.

that said, is alvy gay for giving 3g the run around ?

no, he is not

he is " gay " for....
1) that 155 bull****....
2) not dumping the belt after Cotto

Canelo is.....
1) a bonafide superstar in the making
2) obviously a JMW
3) CLEARLY the A-side

Canelo had NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER to " fit in " with the B-side opponent Golovkin, regardless as to what the tard brigade have to say on the matter.

Golovkin has attempted to..... 1) make his name off Canelo, by forcing that fight on HIS terms..... 2) get rich off Canelo, by forcing that fight on his terms..... NEITHER of which were EVER going to get that fight made.

Golovkin could have simply negotiated on the weight with Canelo, like he promised on NUMEROUS occasions..... including the comment from Loeffler in my sig..... /story.

Canelo/Cotto are the EXACT fights we thought that Golovkin would take when he started spinning that "154-168" bull****.

Their actions were NOT the actions of someone who genuinely wanted that fight..... they would likely have taken the fight at 160, but unless they were going to land that fight on their terms, they really weren't that interested.... despite all that "anyone from 154-168" bull****, they had very little/no faith in Golovkin beating Canelo at 155..... and despite common opinion on the matter, Team Bull**** are only taking easy fights.

Golovkin is " gay " for.....
1) running around for FOUR YEARS spouting all that "154-168" bull****, and then killing TWO HUGE fights over the weight
2) allowing his team to spin that " avoided killer " line..... when he is well-aware that they have not made reasonable efforts to land Canelo/Saunders/Jacobs

the tards will spin it differently, but that is definitely what happened

if still unsure just let me know, I have lots of links and stuff

[aboutfkntime]

GGG is a good fighter but his team needs to sit him down and let him know the reality of the situation.
They have 0 leverage when talking to Golden Boy. 0.
Canelo's has options, he can make $15 million+ fighting a number of fighters that don't bring the risk of a GGG fight. GGG can't fight anyone else that will bring him above what he has been making.
If this fight ever happens its because GGG and K2 realize time is running out to get paid. Hell if Canelo is such an easy fight why not take the terms given and embarrass him at Canelo's own weight and terms. His legacy would be greatly enhanced. Or he can rely on those paper titles to keep getting him HBO paydays for the next few years.
I say 70/30 split is fair if the fight is at 157.
At 160 GGG would be lucky to get 85/15. Either would be by far his biggest payday.

SemiGreat, this is a pretty good breakdown, but there is a lot more information available.....

[Elroy The Great]

no, he is not

he is " gay " for....
1) that 155 bull****....
2) not dumping the belt after Cotto

Canelo is.....
1) a bonafide superstar in the making
2) obviously a JMW
3) CLEARLY the A-side

Canelo had NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER to " fit in " with the B-side opponent Golovkin, regardless as to what the tard brigade have to say on the matter.

Golovkin has attempted to..... 1) make his name off Canelo, by forcing that fight on HIS terms..... 2) get rich off Canelo, by forcing that fight on his terms..... NEITHER of which were EVER going to get that fight made.

Golovkin could have simply negotiated on the weight with Canelo, like he promised on NUMEROUS occasions..... including the comment from Loeffler in my sig..... /story.

Canelo/Cotto are the EXACT fights we thought that Golovkin would take when he started spinning that "154-168" bull****.

Their actions were NOT the actions of someone who genuinely wanted that fight..... they would likely have taken the fight at 160, but unless they were going to land that fight on their terms, they really weren't that interested.... despite all that "anyone from 154-168" bull****, they had very little/no faith in Golovkin beating Canelo at 155..... and despite common opinion on the matter, Team Bull**** are only taking easy fights.

Golovkin is " gay " for.....
1) running around for FOUR YEARS spouting all that "154-168" bull****, and then killing TWO HUGE fights over the weight
2) allowing his team to spin that " avoided killer " line..... when he is well-aware that they have not made reasonable efforts to land Canelo/Saunders/Jacobs

the tards will spin it differently, but that is definitely what happened

if still unsure just let me know, I have lots of links and stuff

SemiGreat, this is a pretty good breakdown, but there is a lot more information available.....

both comments are very precise and well put. even 3g fans have to submit to alvy being the name. alvy has the resume and following. 3g can do no better than a fight with alvy while alvy can stay at jmw and have a string of quality opponents and kill it at the bank.

3g ''might'' have a couple of ''intriguing'' fights at mw (jacobs, a rematch with lemmy ?). i see how little negotiation room his team has. i still say its not entirely 3gs fault. you cant make a person fight you (or at least when you want them to).

imho, 3g vs jacobs or alvy or both will happen next year and all of of this will put to rest.

[Scipio2009]

First off I don't buy that the Ward fight was on the table for longer than hours from the sounds of it & it was while a another fight was further along in the pipeline of being made from GGG. Than again I could be wrong about some angles of that whole thing cuz fight talk bs & who came first with what offers is an unwinnable argument for either side for fans. None of us really know what goes on behind the scenes outside of things that get said in articles at future dates or what gets said on social media that could be legit, hype or complete bs & some people don't say **** in public about this stuff & surely everything never gets out so again who f#cking knows for sure what went down.

Plus lets not act like RN isn't ran by idiots who couldn't negotiate $2 off their Taco Bell lunch with a $2 off their Taco Bell lunch coupon so I wouldn't hold my breath that fight was even makeable.

And #2 GGG is got like a dozen mfers who've avoided him in similar & worse ways than people accuse GGG of avoiding Ward with the known info so its hard to suggest you can't respect GGG when he's being avoided way more than he's avoiding others.



Isn't GGG making $2M fighting Wade's & other randoms these days? If he's making $2M for those fights he for sure be making more for Canelo. And at this point with Canelo running I think you for sure angle for more money vs Canelo gaining back his respect so who gives a f#ck about money talk right now. I don't see that Canelo is even serious about making that fight so how much money GGG would take or not take isn't even in the discussion yet til Canelo mans up.

The Wade fight was apparently the second time that Golovkin made $2m on a fight. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but $3m plus the Germany/EU TV rights to the fight (where K2 can simply go to their EU contacts, sell the fight to whatever broadcaster gives them the best deal, and cut Golovkin in on those revenues), as a package, likely amounts to a $4m-$6m total payday for Golovkin, an amount that's likely to be over double pay on Golovkin's prior top purse.

Beyond that, if Golovkin is supposed to be held up as this old-school warrior, who simply wants to fight and crush everyone, with a smile, dozens or not, the fact that you can point to a handful of folks who he's played the same games with, makes his stance look suspect.

And folks are overplaying this "gaining back his respect" nonsense; only folks really talking **** are K2 and folks tied to pushing HBO's stories. The PPV audience hasn't abandoned him, the Mexico TV numbers don't seem to have suffered, and he's currently moving a ton of tickets for his fight against Liam Smith in Texas.