Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[Combat Talk Radio]

...everyone.


It's time to move on.

[maguswarlock]

Fk off you piece of shht

just what we needed, some 12yo clown trying to rewrite history

ahah.. in otherwords you conceed that i proved you wrong when you said my statement about fluid IVIayweather's demands were rubbish. hahaha

[aboutfkntime]

ahah.. in otherwords you conceed that i proved you wrong when you said my statement about fluid IVIayweather's demands were rubbish. hahaha

no, I concede that you are a dopey pacstain, who I no longer wish to talk to

[Dosumpthin]

speculative misinformed jibberish

That's all I got from that post.


1. You admit you do not know what floyds medical condition was - but somehow came to the conclusion from an unknown medical condition, he did not warrant an IV.

2. You point out that Bob Arum complained about USADA relationship with Floyd - however Bob flat out lied about getting a TUE from USADA 10 secs prior. Why continue to listen to a liar? **** Bob.

Would you investigate a woman's claims of being ROBBED - after she claimed she was abducted by aliens?


3. Floyd, the highest paid boxer of all time, allocated .01 % of his purse for May 2nd to hire a WADA signatory, USADA, to oversee drug testing. Floyd drives 1.6 million dollar cars. Maybe he doesn't want to drive a ****ty Honda accord. He chose the services of USADA and built a relationship with them at a time where VADA didn't even exist.

Not some fly by night Vegas agency like VADA who has ties to Victor Conte to save .005% dollars.

No? Still think FLOYD owns USADA with a measly 100k payment - ok.......

4. USADA is a WADA SIGNATORY. So WADA HAS the authority to overturn the TUE as soon as it was uploaded into the ADAMS system. And don't try to claim they are too busy. Or didn't know about it.

Thomas Hauser falsely reported Floyd was caught by the DCO after he discovered evidence of an if being used. FALSE. however every media outlet ate it up. WORLDWIDE.

If WADA didn't care to investigate when the TUE approval was submitted in MAY, they had to have cared to investigate after Sept 10th.


Yet nothing. The TUE is still good.


So did Floyd pay off WADA?




Fyi stick to the facts. Stop all the speculation.

[DeadLikeMe]

Nearly a year and a half later and the pain is still real in Pacland. The repetitive threads might get old, but the tears never will.

[travestyny]

nope, im just trying to figure out why fluid was tested for urine when the supervising doctor/nurse etc approved of an IV.

and why was the IV approved when fluid had no clear medical condition that would necessitate it.

gravity test right??? density.. doesn't matter whether the urine's colour is affected or not but so long as density of urine and content solutes are within their parameters.. athletes can use a concoction of vitamins to mask dilution of urine..
http://www.textfiles.com/drugs/urinetst.txt

sigh..I do have a visual medical record.. fluid didn't have dry skin, and sunken eyes etc associated with symptons of dehydration.. also fluid moved well enough, tells me he didn't have severe enough dehydration to warrant use of IV

Ok, this really needs to stop. I don't know if you are doing this purposely, but I don't think you are even trying to comprehend the things that I'm telling you. I'm hoping to keep this post concise.

1. Seems that "Mayweather Promotions" paid for all tests. I'm not sure if Top Rank or anyone on Pacquaio's side paid. It seems like the lead promoter, which is "Mayweather Promotions," not Mayweather, paid for the testing--for both men. Did Chael Sonnen pay only for himself? How many tests was he given? What other services were provided for him?

2. You seem to be implying that USADA, upon hearing Floyd's request for an IV, decided not to blood test him. It doesn't work like that. Here are the tests for both men. Neither was given a blood test on May 1st. The scheduling for tests is done in a strategic way to catch cheaters, not to help athletes cheat.

Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.

Paquiao gave urine on March 14, 17, 23 and 24, April 1, 9, 16, 22 and 27 and May 1 and 2. Pacquiao gave blood samples on March 14, 17 and 24, April 1, 9, 16 and 22 and May 2.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...182400390.html

3. You posted a link....which says exactly what I just told you about vitamins and diluting. I'm not sure why you did that.

The general strategy for passing urine tests is to increase your fluid intake and urine flow so as to dilute the concentration of THC metabolyte in your urine below the threshold of detection.

One slight hitch with urine dilution is that some labs are su****ious of the clear, watery urine it produces. You can fix this by taking 50 or 100 milligrams of vitamin B-2 (available in B-Complex multivitamins) which will color your urine yellow for a couple of hours. Contrary to popular rumor, vitamin C doesn't help.

The vitamins don't help with dilution. They help with coloring. I've told you this already, and now you've posted a link yourself which says the same thing. It also mentions that Vitamin C doesn't help at all, which is also what Mayweather had.

4. You need to get straight the difference between the urine and blood tests. The urine test is used to detect EPO itself. The blood test is used to find hints of EPO doping, that being increased red blood cells. If the lab tested an undiluted urine sample (keep in mind that Mayweather also gave a partial urine sample from before the IV), I don't see the problem. At the time when Lance Armstrong was cheating, there was no urine test for EPO. That's why he was able to get away with it. Once the test came out, his samples failed.

5. I don't know who the doctor was, but that doesn't mean that you can speculate about who it was. It was reported that a paramedic was present who administered the IV. Whoever the doctor was, paperwork about Floyd's health had to be filled out in enough detail that the TUEC and WADA would approve explicitly and implicitly respectively. I think that paperwork would trump your eye test, don't you think?

Ready to let this go now? I can't keep explaining the same things to you over and over.

----edit----
Sorry, I cut your post short to shorten the length, but I couldn't let this part go without commenting...

How does Pac having an MRI in November prove anything? The only thing it proves is that he had an MRI. Even if they released the results of that one, what does it show? That his arm is fine? We have no results of the MRI that show a full thickness rotator cuff tear. They should release the MRI done in May, and no, not just a picture of him getting an MRI.

[ADP02]

Why the hell are you worried about where I'm at? I'm from Queens NY. it doesn't mean I'm currently there. I don't see why this is so important to you.

Relax bud. It was just a simple question. Even athletes who start off hating each other often shake hands at the end of their event ...... and I don't think we hate each other, right?

[ADP02]

Was worried you missed out on the discussion. Throw in your 2 cents buddy.

Funny we go back a long time.

Glad to see you online!

No problem .... Thanks!

[ADP02]

So WADA doesn't know about the millions of Pact@rds crying foul. Lol.


I remember you saying it was "impossible" to grant a retro TUE according to WADA rules.


All anyone ever did was prove you wrong - as usual - and point out that WADA CODE states there are medical conditions or circumstances that would justify IV rehydration.


And don't forget diarrhea. That's listed as well. Remember?


No one is claiming to know the medical condition. Just pointing out that you and Thomas Hauser doesn't know what the **** you're talking about.


Now get on the phone and contact WADA and let them know about MAY VS PAC.

Did you read what athletes said about WADA? Geez!

According to WADA rules, Floyd should NOT have been granted a RETRO TUE. If Floyd could get one then just about anyone trying to make weight can because most everyone loses a lot more weight (dehydrates) than Floyd and quite a few of them are completely drained and have to rehydrate many many pounds. Floyd boosts about how he does NOT have to dehydrate himself down 10-15-20-30lbs and that is why he comes in strong for his fights. Floyd said this right after the freaking IV!!!!! See video below

Oh man, now its about diarrhea! I guess you to cannot believe what came out of Floyd's mouth then. Floyd did not say, diarrhea, allergies, ..... he said it was due to giving urine, blood(10 days before) and exercising which had tapered off considerably on the day of the weigh-in.

So again, I get it that you too cannot believe Floyd but just admit it and then realize that since FLoyd lied as he did, then it was not because he was so hydrated that he required an IV.


What? We know what Floyd had and why. Floyd and his team said it on multiple occasions.


Does the below sound like a guy who just had a serious medical condition?
"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148...I'm extremely happy with everything...right now, my house is real, real peaceful and that's the way I like it," stated undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao" - Floyd Mayweather

[Basco]

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