Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[HURTFEELINGS]

just saying that judges can be swayed
thats why there's technology to enable us to look at the fight more closely
fanboyism? no? I stated a summary of what a lot of sites state about boxing rules.

YES, they can be swayed by all of those straight right hands he landed on manny, the same straights he never could avoid during his career, the same straight right hand that made him trip over jmm's foot and put him in a coma

[HURTFEELINGS]

I answered your question.

Slow mo is maybe what you need. Start with round 3. Those 3 great judges (sarcasm) thought Floyd won that round. I saw it differently. Guess who is right?

but do not take my word, check for yourself. Come back and we can discuss..... take the challenge, ....

LO1L, boxing matches start at ROUND 1, I get it you dont know the rules, so of course manny won in your heart, boxing matches arent judged in slo-mo either, but you know more than roy jones jr and freddie roach...good night CJ ROSS

[travestyny]

floyd didn't have TUE prior to taking the IV, but 3 weeks after

Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of WADA's ISTUE. I suggest you go familiarize yourself with the document if you can't understand this.

a retroactive TUE can only be use in case of medical emergencies, and there must be a proof that no alternative can be used..
why couldn't fluid use oral alternative?
was fluid unable to move his mouth / body enough that he needed to be propped up on a bed and had an iv stuck into him while he couldnt lift enough of a finger to put a glass of water into him... AFAIK thats what emergency IV infusions are for..

1. It's not only for a medical emergency. Again, I suggest you go familiarize yourself with the ISTUE instead of giving false information.

2. WADA clearly states that there are situations where IV rehydration is more effective than oral rehydration.

It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdf

maybe his usada buddies wrote him a letter and fluid couldnt read it properly and mistook the piss test for a blood test.

in any case he used a prohibited method without prior approval thank you.

Wrong again. The DCO was with him before the IV was given. You should know this by now. He got approval to take it and followed directions to get the retroactive TUE.

I have. im just wondering why fluid drank fluids
also fluid took iv of saline with vitamin c wasn't it? isn't vitamin c used to mask urine, make it a more yellowy colour to avoid detection of urine dilution.. hmm i wonder.

LOL. If USADA was helping him cheat, you don't think they could have done better than telling him to change the color of his pee to fool the lab? This isn't a piss test for McDonalds.

just asking a simple question? when did the TUE became officially approved. was it before or after the fight?

I believe it was approved after the fight. A partial urine sample was given before the IV was taken, the rules for a retroactive TUE was followed, and the drug tests came out clean. The reasons for approval were sent to WADA. If there would have been any positive test, the TUE would not have passed, nor would a TUE allow for any positive test. This information is all out there. Do some research, homes.

[travestyny]

WADA LAB is who checked up on a sample of DIAZ and found nothing even though one of the 2 passed the limit mentioned by WADA as far as sg test is concerned. The other sample which was not diluted found substances.


1. Yup, I read it. WADA brought up certain cases which are life threatening such as severe hyponatraemia and you went there constantly, or did I read it wrong?

2. Oh wait, did I read it wrong or did you go back to hyponatraemia?
I C/P what case WADA mentioned. hyponatraemia being treated by way of Hypertonic SALINE :

"GUIDELINES FOR APPROPRIATE USE OF (3%) HYPERTONIC SALINE FOR
SYMPTOMATIC HYPONATREMIA
1. WARNING: 3% saline will often lead to very significant overcorrection of the serum sodium. 3% saline is to be utilized only for the patient with severely symptomatic hyponatremia (e.g. seizing, severe altered mental status, focal neurological signs as a...."
result of severe hyponatremia)


Reading: If you say that reading is not your problem then its time that you admitted to the facts on what you have read. I'm sure you read what USADA, WADA, studies say about dehydration and weight loss of just a few pounds? Rehydrate by drinking a few cups of water per pound lost.

In case you forgot and bring them apples vs oranges scenarios: Floyd admits to making weight EASILY. So there was no struggle for Floyd.

Again, you have serious reading comprehension issues.
It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdf

Now go show me where in the ISTUE does it say the condition must be life threatening for an IV to be used. I'll wait.

Your weight issues have already been shot down. How many quotations did you give about stable weight 30 days out? What did you find out about De La Hoya?

So um...your beliefs about stable weight...gone. Your beliefs about the degree of rehydration...gone. You aren't doing too well.

[maguswarlock]

* killed a super-fight by refusing random blood tests (let's leave it there LOL)

hmm just wanted to address this.

Pac accepted the testing, then it was fluid who made ****load of ridiculous demands to stall the fight..

just google "mayweather pacquiao demands" and there she goes

the main stalling demands fluid made were:

* that he (fluid) get all ppv revenue for the fight, while pac only gets $40mil

* that pac must leave arum
* that pac must join tmt
* that pac's mom must sing the philippines national anthem before the fight etc lol

but this is moot as mayweather outright confessed he stalled the fight, i.e. ducked pac at his prime

he confessed this on a recent video taking about how canelo should avoid fighting GGG

stating that he's a businessman first, and that's it's about having patience and timing.. not once did he mention that the fight didn't happen then because of pac refusing a test..end

[travestyny]

hmm just wanted to address this.

Pac accepted the testing, then it was fluid who made ****load of ridiculous demands to stall the fight..

just google "mayweather pacquiao demands" and there she goes

the main stalling demands fluid made were:

* that he (fluid) get all ppv revenue for the fight, while pac only gets $40mil

* that pac must leave arum
* that pac must join tmt
* that pac's mom must sing the philippines national anthem before the fight etc lol

but this is moot as mayweather outright confessed he stalled the fight, i.e. ducked pac at his prime

he confessed this on a recent video taking about how canelo should avoid fighting GGG

stating that he's a businessman first, and that's it's about having patience and timing.. not once did he mention that the fight didn't happen then because of pac refusing a test..end

WRONG. He stated that he signed a contract for 50/50 split, and Pac wouldn't sign because of drug testing. Pac wouldn't even accept a cut-off date of 14 days before the fight, I believe it was.

Go ask Freddie Roach. He himself said PAC's SIDE was responsible for the fight not happening the first time around.

[travestyny]

WADA LAB is who checked up on a sample of DIAZ and found nothing even though one of the 2 passed the limit mentioned by WADA as far as sg test is concerned. The other sample which was not diluted found substances.

So you have a problem with that particular WADA lab. Great. Good for you.

"GUIDELINES FOR APPROPRIATE USE OF (3%) HYPERTONIC SALINE FOR
SYMPTOMATIC HYPONATREMIA
1. WARNING: 3% saline will often lead to very significant overcorrection of the serum sodium. 3% saline is to be utilized only for the patient with severely symptomatic hyponatremia (e.g. seizing, severe altered mental status, focal neurological signs as a...."
result of severe hyponatremia)

LMAO. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HYPERTONIC SALINE IS?????

Damn, man. You've embarrassed yourself again. It's so easy to dismiss the bullshlt you pull out of your ass...but whenever I feel I should take some time out to look through your shlt, it's always such an embarrassment for you. Just stop...and read carefully.

Of course 3% saline should be used in an emergency. It's Hypertonic Saline! WADA gave this as an example of CASES where IV may be used and it DOES NOT mean that it is the only case, which is why it says CASES. Would WADA allow normal saline to be used to treat hyponatremia? I don't see why not:

"Hyponatremia is an important and common clinical problem. The etiology is multifactorial. Hyponatremia may be euvolemic, hypovolemic or hypervolemic. Proper interpretation of the various laboratory tests helps to differentiate the various types of hyponatremia. Treatment varies with the nature of onset -acute or chronic, severity and symptoms. Normal saline forms the mainstay of treatment for hypovolemic hyponatremia while 3% NaCl and fluid restriction are important for euvolemic hyponatremia."

Now you must be wondering what hypovolemic hyponatremia is. Well, here you go:

Low volume hyponatremia
The hypovolemia (extracellular volume loss) is due to total body sodium loss. The hyponatremia is caused by a relatively smaller loss in total body water.

Prolonged periods of exercise may be a cause, known as exercise-associated hyponatremia (EAH). It is common in marathon runners and participants of other endurance events.[17] The use of MDMA can result in hyponatremia. This likely occurs as a result of fluid loss via sweating and replacement with water without electrolytes.

Pretty interesting stuff, huh?

Now, one more time:
"It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion."



Mayweather's application and approval was sent TO WADA. So what does that tell you?

[maguswarlock]

Again, you have serious reading comprehension issues.
It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)


Now go show me where in the ISTUE does it say the condition must be life threatening for an IV to be used. I'll wait.

Your weight issues have already been shot down. How many quotations did you give about stable weight 30 days out? What did you find out about De La Hoya?

So um...your beliefs about stable weight...gone. Your beliefs about the degree of rehydration...gone. You aren't doing too well.

so what type of documented hyponotremia does fluid suffer from? high volume? low volume? and where is it that stated that the proper treatment is via infusion of IV solution

[travestyny]

so what type of documented hyponotremia does fluid suffer from? high volume? low volume? and where is it that stated that the proper treatment is via infusion of IV solution

You guys really need to learn how to read.

This statement does NOT mean that he must have suffered from hyponatremia at all, though he could have. The statement means there are cases where IV rehydration is more effective than oral rehydration.

If you'd like to know what his diagnosis was, I suggest you go asking for his medical records. Apparently, it was approved by the independent TUEC team and also WADA saw no problem with it.

But if you'd like more info on hyponatremia, it's out there:
Hyponatremia is an important and common clinical problem. The etiology is multifactorial. Hyponatremia may be euvolemic, hypovolemic or hypervolemic. Proper interpretation of the various laboratory tests helps to differentiate the various types of hyponatremia. Treatment varies with the nature of onset -acute or chronic, severity and symptoms. Normal saline forms the mainstay of treatment for hypovolemic hyponatremia while 3% NaCl and fluid restriction are important for euvolemic hyponatremia.

[maguswarlock]

Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of WADA's ISTUE. I suggest you go familiarize yourself with the document if you can't understand this.

WADA states
" In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable"

1. It's not only for a medical emergency. Again, I suggest you go familiarize yourself with the ISTUE instead of giving false information.

lol