Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: We'd Fight Andre Ward, But He Can't Make 168

[Madison Boxing]

You said Wards team is an unreliable source but then say the bull**** from Golovkins team are facts? Golovkins team are proven liars.

my opinion is that neither fighter ducked each other, was never any real concrete negotiations. Both sides say different things. they now fight at two weight classes apart so cant see the fight ever happening

[Robbie Barrett]

my opinion is that neither fighter ducked each other, was never any real concrete negotiations. Both sides say different things. they now fight at two weight classes apart so cant see the fight ever happening

Golovkin ducked Ward everyone knows it. Go ask some non-Golovkin/non-Ward fans they'll tell you Golovkin ducked Ward. Asking Ward for a 164 CW while he was willing to fight others at 168 confirmed it.

[Metho_4u]

i dont know why you are ranting at me for. GGG's staying at middleweight so you are going to have to keep on hating.

No, staying at MW is one thing, claiming you will go up or down, claiming you would fight Ward, and then trying to get a cw of 164 when you JUST offered Chavez Jr. AND Froch a fight @ 168, giving Canelo **** for fighting a guy he brought up 8 lbs and then doing WORSE by bringing a guy up 13 lbs, claiming you offered Saunders 4+ million when it was actually 1.5, etc, etc, etc is proof that GayLoveKin and his whole team are liars, hypocrites, and another HBO hype machine. You can try to back down NOW and say neither ducked the other after you were all over jubeis jock about Ward not wanting the fight of whatever, but the proof is right there. Triple asswipe ducked the fight because he KNOWS Ward would embarrass and kick his f'n ass for 12 rds.

[Metho_4u]

And....I'm ranting at you because you're completely dense and STILL trying to defend this clown when he's fought not one single elite to prove himself. Ignorance at its very best.

[aboutfkntime]

Exactly.....game over!!...these mfers just shot themselves in the head

Ward can't make 168?...but they suggested he come down to 164?!?....fraud alert been ringing...now its official, those mfers are super fraudulent!!

bingo !

[aboutfkntime]

Been posted once, but for you dense fans...

As the finishing touches were being made to Golovkin's October 17th unification with IBF champion David Lemieux - Ward's promoter, Roc Nation Sports Chief Operating Officer David Itskowitch, emailed an official offer to Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions.
According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.
Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division.

However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal.
Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.
“We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com.
Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press.
The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members.

According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes.
"I respect Tom and he's a nice man, but as it relates to this issue - he's way off-base," Yormark told BoxingScene.com. "The chatter that you've been hearing from Triple G's camp is inappropriate, inaccurate and we need to clear this up immediately."
"Andre Ward has always fought the best opponents that were available, and that holds true today as well. We want to fight the best and we obviously consider Triple G a formidable opponent. We made an offer to fight Triple G. It was the number one priority on Andre's list."
"We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016.
"They received the offer and in 36 minutes we got a response which basically stated 'we cannot accept the offer and we're going in a different direction.' In 36 minutes [they turned it down], so that tells me there was not even any consideration given to the offer, because at the end of the day Triple G always knew that he would never fight Andre Ward. He's stated publically, and in writing, that he would go up to 168 to fight anybody but Andre. We put an official offer on the table and we got a 'no' in 36 minutes.
"I think you can assume that a fight between Triple G and Andre Ward is a fight that people would love to see. It would be great for HBO. I think, for the most part, everyone was on board - with the exception of Triple G and his camp. How do you respond in 36 minutes with a 'no' - unless you had no intention of fighting Andre Ward.
"The only way you respond in 36 minutes is if you had no intention of ever fighting this guy. That's what 36 minutes tells you. Because if they did had a desire to fight Andre, and get in there with one of the best fighters in the world, they would have responded with 'thank you for your offer, we're going to discuss this with our fighter and get back to you.' That's typically how it's done. You don't respond in 36 minutes."
"The split would have been a secondary issue behind making the fight and having a desire in making the fight. If they had responded to the email and said 'listen, let's sit down, let's negotiate and let's see if we can come to terms' - then that's a different story. We didn't have the opportunity to talk a split, we didn't have the opportunity to talk about who was the B or the A-side. We didn't have the opportunity talk about any details. To come out and say who would be the A-side and talk about splits, the reality was - they said 'no' in 36 minutes."
"Right now, Andre Ward is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and they don't want nothing to do with him. I don't care what weight it is, I don't care what city it is, I don't care what country they fight in - they don't want nothing to do with the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That's not on their agenda. They can continue to fight journeymen and protect his record and try to continue to build this invincibility aura that he currently has. The fight with Andre Ward would have bee the fight to prove to people if he's as good as people think."
Based on the circumstances, Ward and Roc Nation have moved on. Yormark was unable to confirm the details, but according to multiple sources in the industry - Ward is going to move up to light heavyweight, commit to a multi-fight deal with HBO, and eventually face light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev in a high profile showdown in 2016. Ward's return is slated for the Cotto-Alvarez HBO Pay-Per-View undercard.
An official announcement regarding Ward's future is coming soon, says Yormark.
"Triple G has fought journeymen for his entire career. It's obvious. We all know that. Andre Ward has fought the best of the best. Triple was at the top of his list. He was denied the opportunity to fight him in 36 minutes, so we've moved on. We'll be announcing our plans in the very near future, as to what Andre will be doing for the remainder of 2015 and in 2016. But we are moving on because we want to move forward and fight the best," Yormark said.

Metho, can you post a link to that article, for future reference..... ?

[aboutfkntime]

i skimmed over it. As i said jubeis disproved it with facts on the other thread, i dont know as much of the details about it all as he does, but from what i understand ward was offered the fight by GGG at 168 a few years back and he said no, said his shoulder was sore and wasnt interested at that point. And when ward did send him an offer it was an offer after GGG had already signed for a fight, and ward has later admitted he could never make 168.

..... another ball-sucking fanboi clown, exposed LMAO

[Metho_4u]

Metho, can you post a link to that article, for future reference..... ?

Yep

http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nation-gggs-team-turned-down-ward-36-minutes--96761

[Madison Boxing]

Golovkin ducked Ward everyone knows it. Go ask some non-Golovkin/non-Ward fans they'll tell you Golovkin ducked Ward. Asking Ward for a 164 CW while he was willing to fight others at 168 confirmed it.

No, staying at MW is one thing, claiming you will go up or down, claiming you would fight Ward, and then trying to get a cw of 164 when you JUST offered Chavez Jr. AND Froch a fight @ 168, giving Canelo **** for fighting a guy he brought up 8 lbs and then doing WORSE by bringing a guy up 13 lbs, claiming you offered Saunders 4+ million when it was actually 1.5, etc, etc, etc is proof that GayLoveKin and his whole team are liars, hypocrites, and another HBO hype machine. You can try to back down NOW and say neither ducked the other after you were all over jubeis jock about Ward not wanting the fight of whatever, but the proof is right there. Triple asswipe ducked the fight because he KNOWS Ward would embarrass and kick his f'n ass for 12 rds.

And....I'm ranting at you because you're completely dense and STILL trying to defend this clown when he's fought not one single elite to prove himself. Ignorance at its very best.

..... another ball-sucking fanboi clown, exposed LMAO

Yep

http://www.boxingscene.com/roc-natio...minutes--96761

ive not tried to back down now, im repeating what ive said on a thread a couple of days ago.
Both camps have said different things but youve decded to 100 percent trust roc nation. Wards offer looks more like a sham offer than anything (offering it after GGG had signed for a fight and ward later admitting hed never make the weight). And GGG could have done more to force through the fight at that time if he really wanted it by calling his bluff.
Ive said it before, this whole scenario is not much different to GGG offering to fight mayweather at 154 (which mayweathers fought at before), but noone accuses mayweather of ducking. I have no idea how you can duck someone who isnt even in your division lol.
I lose track of who GGG is ducking now, cause some say hes dodging lara but others are saying hes got to go up in weight.
You three (like many on here) are fuelled by hatred, insecurity and cant be reasoned with, GGG will never do the right thing in your eyes and he should never attempt to, i have no doubt if he beat lara none of you would stop criticising, and if he want to 168 you would demand he go to 175.

[Metho_4u]

ive not tried to back down now, im repeating what ive said on a thread a couple of days ago.
Both camps have said different things but youve decded to 100 percent trust roc nation. Wards offer looks more like a sham offer than anything (offering it after GGG had signed for a fight and ward later admitting hed never make the weight). And GGG could have done more to force through the fight at that time if he really wanted it by calling his bluff.
Ive said it before, this whole scenario is not much different to GGG offering to fight mayweather at 154 (which mayweathers fought at before), but noone accuses mayweather of ducking. I have no idea how you can duck someone who isnt even in your division lol.
I lose track of who GGG is ducking now, cause some say hes dodging lara but others are saying hes got to go up in weight.
You three (like many on here) are fuelled by hatred, insecurity and cant be reasoned with, GGG will never do the right thing in your eyes and he should never attempt to, i have no doubt if he beat lara none of you would stop criticising, and if he want to 168 you would demand he go to 175.

Lol, why in THE fucck would Floyd need to fight the hype job @ any weight? GayLoveKin brings NO viewers to the table, no money, he brings NOTHING. You are drawing attention away from the topic too you idiot! How the **** can you say I'm trusting Roc nations word when what I quoted is what LOEFFLER AND DIRTY SANCHEZ SAID?????

Like I said already, you're ****ing dense. You need to come to grips with the fact that your favorite fighter is an hbo hype job product, he's not an elite fighter, and saying everyone avoids him doesn't make you elite. See, here in the real world, guys get in the ring to prove who the better pugilist is. GayLoveKin has had his chance with one of THE best fighters in the world and he and his team wanted NOTHING to do with it. Stop being a moron, go play with Jubei