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  • Real King Kong
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    #41
    Originally posted by LeonSpinxMwfpce
    Nearing the end based on what?
    Based on his age and he's starting to show signs of decline imo. Watch his last fight, the way he moved and how his body looked and reacted compared to a couple years ago. Chalk it up to him having a weak opponent or whatever...i don't think he has long left before he's noticeably diminished. It'll start with him getting hit more....possibly being outlanded in exchanges if he fights someone who moves well.

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    • Boxfan83
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      #42
      Originally posted by considerthis
      Based on his age and he's starting to show signs of decline imo. Watch his last fight, the way he moved and how his body looked and reacted compared to a couple years ago. Chalk it up to him having a weak opponent or whatever...i don't think he has long left before he's noticeably diminished. It'll start with him getting hit more....possibly being outlanded in exchanges if he fights someone who moves well.
      I hear a lot of people say GGG gets beat by somebody that moves good, I really dont think thats the case. I think lateral movement plays into his gameplan very well. Hes very good at keeping that style at the end of his punch. Personally I think someone needs to stand in front of him, make him miss and counter. Its going to take someone with skill, a chin, and decent pop. Hes very beatable, I just dont see anyone at 154, 160, or 168 thats really disciplined in that style. Funny though Ward is one that has that smothering make you miss style...

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        #43
        Originally posted by Adonis Creed
        GGG would still be the best mw in the world without the belt. He'd still be avoided by the other top guys in the division.

        Other WW would at least fight Spence instead of vacating.
        Interesting statement. We'll see what happens in a cpl months when the IBF mando is due

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        • Tony Trick-Pony
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          #44
          Seeing as he came along first, shouldn't Errol Spence be the American version of GGG?

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          • Real King Kong
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            #45
            Originally posted by Boxfan83
            I hear a lot of people say GGG gets beat by somebody that moves good, I really dont think thats the case. I think lateral movement plays into his gameplan very well. Hes very good at keeping that style at the end of his punch. Personally I think someone needs to stand in front of him, make him miss and counter. Its going to take someone with skill, a chin, and decent pop. Hes very beatable, I just dont see anyone at 154, 160, or 168 thats really disciplined in that style. Funny though Ward is one that has that smothering make you miss style...
            If he slows down a bit more, he'll be very beatable. Guys like him who are flat footed for the most part and rely on their ability to cut the ring off to land hard punches can find it difficult to do that when their legs start to go. There's a fine line between walking someone down and following someone around, and it's not always for lack of trying.

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            • The Gambler1981
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              #46
              Originally posted by Eff Pandas
              GGG has fought a lot of good fighters & solid contenders. David Lemiuex, Martin Murray, Marco Antonio Rubio, Daniel Geale & Matthew Macklin in the last 3 years I'd say are recent top contenders who GGG has fought.

              I don't really understand the criticism of GGG with this sorta stuff. I mean after all rankings are always relative among the guys in any particular weight division & who's beaten more contenders than GGG at 160 in the last couple years? I can't name anyone.
              He is certainly a cut above the guys at 160, but it comes down to what that really means.

              Guys with better names on their dossier have taken just as much or more **** than Golovkin. It is not really debatable that he is the top dog at 160 though, what is debatable is what that accomplishment really means in the grand scheme of boxing.

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                #47
                Originally posted by therealpugilist
                i take murray being "top ten" with a grain of salt considering he never beat a world rated opponent.

                Geale was a good fighter, he was past it by the time GGG and cotto got to him imo...still a good win, didnt expect cotto to blitz him like that, kinda takes some luster off
                Murray arguably beat Martinez a year before he was spanked by Cotto, ok he was shot by the time Murray fought him and clearly struggling with his knees even then. Geale beat Barker IMO too, I may be a little biased but I'm a huge fan of Geale.

                Don't mistake me for a Golovturd, my criticism of GGG is the fights he is featuring are not competitive and imo their isn't a challenge south of 168 for him and certainly not from a 147 fighter coming up two weights.

                If Golovkin wants to prove greatness he has to move up, Zurdo, Jack and DeGale won't beat him either but if he ruined those three and i believe he would he'd have a solid case for receiving the plaudits his fück witted fan base clamour for.

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                • M Bison
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                  #48
                  Yes, Errol Spence and GGG are identical both frightening fighters funny how the haters of GGG love Spence that won't put me off though I'm a fan of both for good reason.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Boxfan83
                    Kazachs version of Errol Spence... Am I right or wrong?? Thoughts???
                    Errol Spence Jr hasn't been a professional fighter for over a decade.

                    You pull the trinket belts (removing every title he actually didn't win off of a champion), and you've got Paul Spadafora, likely with a softer resume.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Red Cyclone
                      Yes, Errol Spence and GGG are identical both frightening fighters funny how the haters of GGG love Spence that won't put me off though I'm a fan of both for good reason.
                      hmmmmm, I wonder why that is? Whatever could it be???????

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