Why do certain type of posters hate Ward so much?

[PivotandRoll]

You truly are missing the point. There is no book where it lists fighters who are boring and not boring as truth, and if there is one then that still is the author's opinion.

You gave your opinion on who YOU think is boring and not boring when you mentioned Cotto and Frampton. I have to respect that. You don't seem to respect what I'm saying when I say that Ward isn't boring.

And fans who like boxers who look for the ko aren't any less boxing fans then fans who want their fighter to get the ko but don't seek the ko and are content to get the decision.

And with respect, please don't use the word "cowardly" when it comes to guys who take punches for a living.

No....sigh.....You missed the point of the smiley face. It was a joke.....

I stated my favorite fighters are infinitely exciting... the opposite of what we just agreed is the truth.... Why am I explaining this to you?

Don't use the word cowardly? So cheating is not cowardly? Looking for a way out is not cowardly? Peterson low blowing Rios because he was getting beaten up was not cowardly? Cowards can be good at throwing punches..

[Mr.Fantastic]

You're a big GGG fan.

You don't hate on him at all....and that's all you do around here.

If you don't believe me when the facts are in my post history then too bad.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Floyd didn't aggravate you against Baldomir?

Nope - because I know his hand got injured in that fight. I distinctly remember seeing him grimace in pain when he threw. So no, I don't get pissed when a fighter I'm watching is still schooling his opponent while injured.

Rigo didn't annoy you against Agbeko?

No, but that's because I knew what to expect going in.

Lara didn't drive you crazy against Vanes?

No because I knew what to expect going in.

Floyd dismantled Gatti, Corrales- went to war with Cotto and Maidana and schooled Marquez and Manny but the Baldomir fight was legit boring.

Devil's Advocate.

Gatti: was outmatched beginning round 1. He had always been a club fighter that blocked punches with his face. While Gatti was a favorite leading up to the fight, those who had followed Floyd were afraid Gatti would get killed. People call him a legend because of his heart, not his skill.

Corrales: Mayweather was a huge underdog only because of Corrales' status at the time. It had nothing to do with skill. Corrales wasn't even in the class. The only threat perceived was Corrales' power, but power is meaningless when you can't hit something.

Cotto: I didn't see Floyd go to war with Cotto. I saw Cotto smother Floyd with a direct attack same as what Ortiz tried, same as what Maidana tried - and you know what? They looked good doing it. Cotto lost because despite his power, he can't handle pure boxers. That's why Canelo schooled him too. A prime Martinez on a good knee would have stopped Cotto.

Marquez: While this was a one-sided schooling, you can't overlook how weight might have played a factor. While I don't see any version of Dinamita beating Floyd, it wouldn't have been as one-sided at 130-135.

Manny: Yes, this was "Back to School" at its finest. However, we were cheated by the fact that Manny didn't show up. We didn't see the best of Pacquiao at all in that fight. It's like he threw it to get paid. I mean there were rounds where Pacquiao was taking punches that we know couldn't have been hurting him yet he stopped and backed off. This is a guy who took the absolute worst from Margacheato and Clottey and kept coming. Why back off from Floyd? It didn't make sense and it tainted what was otherwise a boxing lesson. Now we'll never know from a skill perspective if Manny could possibly at least drop TBE.


Against Baldomir Floyd's hands were injured, so no, I don't expect a Burton or a Corley-level matchup when he's working hurt. He did what he could and it was still a master class.

Lara spanked Trout and Williams and then became gunshy against Canelo and Vanes.

Austin Trout is a bum, first of all.

Second, let's not forget that Lara was fighting for dear life in the first Vanes fight and got saved; let's not pretend Lara wasn't on his way to losing that fight. That's because Vanes pressed the action. Second fight, Vanes did not press the action and it was boring. That's not Lara's fault. That's Vanes' fault for not making Lara engage like he did in the first fight.

As far as Canelo, he's the kind of fighter who can only excel against someone who comes at him. Lara got robbed in that fight, but it was dull due to Canelo's inability to deal with fighters who don't engage him.

And yes, I firmly believe Khanelo would have gone the distance and Canelo likely losing by MD if Khan had not tried to engage at the last minute and got his glass shattered.

See, I don't call a fighter "boring" due to the style they've largely always had, simply because they become more defense or throw less punches. Tommy Hearns wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Duran wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Vinny Paz wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Leonard wasn't "boring" when he changed styles.

If a fighter entertains you, they entertain you. But seriously, styles make fights and some are just bad matchups. Grabomir Clinchko vs. any low output fighter is going to be boring. It's not Clinchko's fault - he is what he is. It's the matchup and why some matchups shouldn't be made.

[PivotandRoll]

Really. You consider Ward's dismantling of Dawson boring? Not only did he outclass him, he embarrassed him and made him quit. Ward's dominance over Dawson was similar to FMJ's dominance over Gatti. There was nothing boring about Ward on that night unless you got bored/tired of seeing him punch Dawson in the face.

I was tempted to mention this as an exception... But it was nowhere near Floyd/Gatti. It was more of when he landed it hurt way more than expected and he was on point with his gameplan, but he didn't just stand there destroying him from head to toe. A huge part was his gameplan, even the first knockdown was a planned move that Ward suggest right handers throw at southpaws all the time when he commentates. The right straight to the body and then the left hook over the shoulder. Cotto caught Martinez with the same punch quite a few times . People throw around Floyd/Gatti way too easily.

[sicko]

I think they have more of a problem with where he is from than they do anything else. He is in the way of this "Eastern European Dominance" that we been seeing on this forum for awhile. Some just want American boxing to just "GO AWAY" because they feel like they dominated LONG ENOUGH and it is time for something new and something that is NOT the Same Americans. It is not an American they won't attack at some point, they tried with Crawford leading up to the Postol fight and after the Postol fight they're crying about Crawford style

American Boxing will NEVER DIE and I think that is what frustrates some because they been wishing for it for the last few years and it is just not happening because somebody somehow always emerges and knock off one of their fighters and that is how the hate gets stronger and stronger

Ward is just IN THE WAY is how some feel notice anytime a new American fighter starts making some noise like Errol Spence Jr they're quick to try and label them "HYPE JOBS" but when others who are not America starts to make nose the hype for them is RELENTLESS for the Anti American Boxing Fans!

I don't take none of this serious especially the stuff on this forum I love the sport I don't care where you're from, one of my favorite fighters at the moment is Dejan Zlaticanin from Montenegro I just love his style, I love how a small guy comes forward apply pressure and KICK ASS. Also extremely high on the guy in my Signature who I think is a beast and could be a serious threat to Terance Crawford at 140, Sergey Lipinets! I like style, I like guys with a great back story like Caleb Plant I like Ward story of losing his father and fighting on as well as Thurman story of losing his Trainer Ben Getty and fighting on. Race, Ethnicity, what country you're from don't matter to me but most can't say that and I get it we all want something to be proud of we all want something to claim as our own and that is fine but some fans of course take things too far and that is when the ugly side of boxing comes out.

They still cry about Ward style when Clinching and Headbutts haven't been a issue for him since the Sakio Bika fight and in that fight those was initiated by Bika

[hoe_train]

They always wnt to put a bruva down, they think its still 1800

[PivotandRoll]

Nope - because I know his hand got injured in that fight. I distinctly remember seeing him grimace in pain when he threw. So no, I don't get pissed when a fighter I'm watching is still schooling his opponent while injured.



No, but that's because I knew what to expect going in.



No because I knew what to expect going in.



Devil's Advocate.

Gatti: was outmatched beginning round 1. He had always been a club fighter that blocked punches with his face. While Gatti was a favorite leading up to the fight, those who had followed Floyd were afraid Gatti would get killed. People call him a legend because of his heart, not his skill.

Corrales: Mayweather was a huge underdog only because of Corrales' status at the time. It had nothing to do with skill. Corrales wasn't even in the class. The only threat perceived was Corrales' power, but power is meaningless when you can't hit something.

Cotto: I didn't see Floyd go to war with Cotto. I saw Cotto smother Floyd with a direct attack same as what Ortiz tried, same as what Maidana tried - and you know what? They looked good doing it. Cotto lost because despite his power, he can't handle pure boxers. That's why Canelo schooled him too. A prime Martinez on a good knee would have stopped Cotto.

Marquez: While this was a one-sided schooling, you can't overlook how weight might have played a factor. While I don't see any version of Dinamita beating Floyd, it wouldn't have been as one-sided at 130-135.

Manny: Yes, this was "Back to School" at its finest. However, we were cheated by the fact that Manny didn't show up. We didn't see the best of Pacquiao at all in that fight. It's like he threw it to get paid. I mean there were rounds where Pacquiao was taking punches that we know couldn't have been hurting him yet he stopped and backed off. This is a guy who took the absolute worst from Margacheato and Clottey and kept coming. Why back off from Floyd? It didn't make sense and it tainted what was otherwise a boxing lesson. Now we'll never know from a skill perspective if Manny could possibly at least drop TBE.


Against Baldomir Floyd's hands were injured, so no, I don't expect a Burton or a Corley-level matchup when he's working hurt. He did what he could and it was still a master class.



Austin Trout is a bum, first of all.

Second, let's not forget that Lara was fighting for dear life in the first Vanes fight and got saved; let's not pretend Lara wasn't on his way to losing that fight. That's because Vanes pressed the action. Second fight, Vanes did not press the action and it was boring. That's not Lara's fault. That's Vanes' fault for not making Lara engage like he did in the first fight.

As far as Canelo, he's the kind of fighter who can only excel against someone who comes at him. Lara got robbed in that fight, but it was dull due to Canelo's inability to deal with fighters who don't engage him.

And yes, I firmly believe Khanelo would have gone the distance and Canelo likely losing by MD if Khan had not tried to engage at the last minute and got his glass shattered.

See, I don't call a fighter "boring" due to the style they've largely always had, simply because they become more defense or throw less punches. Tommy Hearns wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Duran wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Vinny Paz wasn't "boring" when he changed styles. Leonard wasn't "boring" when he changed styles.

If a fighter entertains you, they entertain you. But seriously, styles make fights and some are just bad matchups. Grabomir Clinchko vs. any low output fighter is going to be boring. It's not Clinchko's fault - he is what he is. It's the matchup and why some matchups shouldn't be made.

An injured hand is a fair excuse and Floyd has a history of it, though I don;t remember a fast start or more impressive early rounds so I'm not surely it affected Floyd's gameplan.

So you expected him to be boring so it's okay to be boring? That's literally just saying that I can;t be right because even when they are boring...meh who cares it happens...

Same again...nonsense argument.

I disagree so much with the rest I'm not prepared to get into at the moment.

[Pigeons]

Because he exposed Golovkin's vagina.

[El-blanco]

where did i mention race?


Girl i been told you where to find me..until then stick a d1ck in ya mouth like a good girl

Where in that piece of **** $80,000 shack? I don't associate with people that are beneath me.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

It's the exact same posters who refuse to give Mayweather credit for anything and are now mad that Spence got 6 million views..why do these type of posters slam these fighters no matter what??

Larry wtf is wrong with you? Do you really sit in your poverty stricken home and contemplate this crap? Dang homie get a job, hobby or something.

I swear the times I get to come on here and read what's people have to say about boxing. It's always you with these ***'d up threads.

Dude the time you spend coming up with this sh$t would be better spent trying to better yourself and your life situation.

Instead is worrying why people hate Ward or Floyd is spence. Worry about breaking the cycle of poverty you are in.

You have over 50 thousand post and live like you are in a third world country. That's an issue. The Internet is not your friend.