Comments Thread For: Hopkins on GGG-Brook: Time Will Reveal All The Frauds in Boxing

[Eastcoast]

Nard and the rest of team Canelo must have a very high opinion of Liam Smith, to chose him over Golovkin.

[mrjoeblive]

Maybe you didn't read the article bro. It's Bernard talking about GGG. Reading comprehension was missed I take it.

You posted Bernard was afraid that ggg would overtake his record. Right. So I posted ggg has no right to say bernards name. Boxing history is not a strong suit I take it. Trinidad was favored to beat Bernard. They couldn't even give B hop the tournament trophy when he won because it had tito's name etched into it. So who did ggg face that was favored over him? The answer is nobody! You can't be the underdog facing soup cans. Ggg fights are sponsored by campbells.

[mrjoeblive]

Nard and the rest of team Canelo must have a very high opinion of Liam Smith, to chose him over Golovkin.

It was ggg that said he would face anyone from 54 to 68. Only to duck canelo at 54. Im sick of these fake dudes that want every single solitary advantage before they fight. And yet ggg wanted to fight floyd at 54 when on fight night he would have came in at 170 plus. And yet he was afraid to face canelo at 54 so he pulled out.

[Eastcoast]

It was ggg that said he would face anyone from 54 to 68. Only to duck canelo at 54. Im sick of these fake dudes that want every single solitary advantage before they fight. And yet ggg wanted to fight floyd at 54 when on fight night he would have came in at 170 plus. And yet he was afraid to face canelo at 54 so he pulled out.

Canelo never made an offer at 155, he never made an offer period.

Canelo also said he'd face GGG at 160, much more recently that the comment you just pulled. Canelo is the same guy who fought WW Matthew Hatton at a CW of 150lbs for the vacant 154lbs title, then missed weight and made the fight for 152lbs. Just like the time he missed weight vs Angulo and made their fight at 155lbs...

[bikeboatski]

Hopkins has a point (altho Brook, at this point, is more worthy of a challenger than Khan was) But the main point, aside from this nit-picking, is that Canelo has AVOIDED GGG. And that point just won't go away!

[robertzimmerman]

Mr. Luthor,

1. No reason to relinquish any title until they chose to. Voluntary before hand allowed them to make millions in the fight against Khan as well as give Canelo more exposure to the UK market. No coincidence that Canelo is facing two UK boxers in a row and in talks to face another one in December.

He could still have made millions with a voluntary against Khan. If he had no intention of fighting GG, there would have been nothing wrong with relinquishing it before Khan with a bit of honesty. Yet he ended up relinquishing it after talking big and his rep has taken a huge hit.

2. Canelo is a 2 Division champion because he has held world titles in 2 divisions. No different then Pacquiao being an 8 Division Champion.

Fair enough.

3. Canelo cared about winning the WBC title before because winning a title in a 2nd division is good for his growing resume of accomplishments. (Not a lot of Mexican Middleweight champions)

So it's prestigious? It's good to add to his resume of accomplishments. So he respected it. But now he doesn't because he didn't want to defend it against GG? Great.

4. Lineal title was on the line against Cotto with or without the WBC title. That is exactly why Canelo is still the Lineal and RING Middleweight Champion. You not recognizing that fact does not change that it is a fact.

Nobody recognises it. When it suits, he's the lineal champ. But when it doesn't, you say he was right to give it up because it doesn't mean anything.

One minute the WBC are respected, then the next minute they aren't.

5. Run back to Jr Middleweight? Hilarious!! Canelo hasn't even been a Middleweight Champion for even a full year and has never fought more than 1 pound over the Jr Middleweight max of 154. Stop the madness.

Shall I tell you what's hilarious:

Canelo playing the big man, saying: "I'll put the gloves back on now"

Giving up the belt and pretending that the WBC's deadlines were unreasonable.

Telling everyone that they were relinquishing the belt to make negotiations easier, before going straight to Liam Smith.

Oscar saying he's not a MW, even though he weighs in at 170 plus pounds on fight night.


All of the above is both hilarious and pathetic.

6. Canelo most certainly holds all the cards because he is the A-side and he has what Golovkin wants. Golovkin has nothing that Canelo wants. Golovkin is currently holding a belt that Canelo threw away. What does that tell you?

What does it tell me? It tells me that he ran away. It tells me that he'd rather hand the belt over than defend it in the ring.

They're supposed to be fighting next year. Again, if Canelo can't get to BJS first, GG will have 3 of the 4 belts, and 4 if he can beat BJS.

Again, if that were to happen, Canelo would not hold all of the cards.

You say that GG has nothing that Canelo wants? Well, if he steps up to MW next year and commits to the MW division, he'll certainly want GG's belts. Or aren't the belts important to him? You can't seem to make up your mind.

7. Canelo can give Saunders a few things that Golovkin cannot; a chance at the Lineal/RING titles and a huge payday with huge exposure with less risk. Advantage Canelo on every issue.

Fair enough.

Canelo can offer him an easier fight, yes.

8. Golovkin's fan base is growing so much that he has to travel to the UK to face a Welterweight while on the flip-side, UK boxers are lining up to come to America to fight Mexican Canelo. Not even close.

Although the Brook fight is poor, it's a huge fight in the U.K. Make no mistake about that. Business wise, it's a very good decision.

Has to travel? He wants to travel.

Who are the U.K. fighters who are lining up to fight Canelo?

Liam Smith is cannon fodder. He has no big fan base in the U.K. and Oscar has targeted him as an easy fight.

BJS is only a possibility at this stage.

9. GGG will not gain any leverage on Canelo because GGG has no PPV power nor anything Canelo wants. He won't next yr because GGG cannot get Canelo's Lineal and/or RING ranking unless Canelo gives him the opportunity.

You're talking nonsense.

Why do you keep saying he can't get Canelo's title?

He's already got Canelo's title as well as 2 other titles.

Do you seriously think that the fans are down with the "a lineal title can only be won in a ring"?

Nobody classes Canelo as still being the champ.

He's been stripped.

GG is considered 'The Man' at MW.

If Canelo moves up to MW next year, he will have to fight GG to become 'The Man' and he'll have to fight him for his titles.

Canelo really needs to beat BJS to dangle that WBO belt in front of GG.

Again, if GG gets there first, what does Canelo bring other than his fan base?

If GG is still at MW with all 4 belts when Canelo eventually moves up, he will not be able to call all the shots.

If they can't compromise, GG can move up.

What's Canelo going to do?

Who else would he fight at MW?

He hasn't got the amount of power you think, and GG has a huge ego.

He's not going to be pushed around.

[mrjoeblive]

Canelo never made an offer at 155, he never made an offer period.

Canelo also said he'd face GGG at 160, much more recently that the comment you just pulled. Canelo is the same guy who fought WW Matthew Hatton at a CW of 150lbs for the vacant 154lbs title, then missed weight and made the fight for 152lbs. Just like the time he missed weight vs Angulo and made their fight at 155lbs...

Dude look at what you posted. You said saul never offered a bout at 54,55 or period. Then you say saul said he'd face ggg at 160. The bout was always to be at 54. Ggg and crew pulled a fast one and said the bout must be at 60 since the belt was on the line. Then they demanded saul to be stripped of the title since ggg refused the catch wt of 54. As you pointed out canelo fought a few fights at a cw to facilitate the bout. Ggg never gave anything to make a bout. If he is so good and was willing to fight floyd at 54, even though floyds heaviest fight was at 151 vs saul, why couldn't he face saul at 54? He said 60 or nothing. Saul never said everyone was scared of him but ggg did. So why not go ahead and pull sauls card and fight him at 54? Like he said he would when he was demanding a fight with saul?

[robertzimmerman]

Mr. Luthor,

Newsflash.....That WBC strap was contested at catchweight the last 3 times...Martinez vs Cotto, Cotto vs Canelo and Canelo vs Khan. Clearly it happens. Furthermore, that same WBC strap was contested at a catch weight when De La Hoya fought B Hop in 2004.

There's nothing wrong with a CW if both parties are in agreement.

That's not the same as demanding that a fellow MW champ has to come down for one.

You can't justify Canelo's initial decision on holding the belt hostage at 155, just because he fought Cotto there.

What Canelo tried to do was a complete joke.

Golovkin being made the mandatory was a subjective decision. One that rarely happens in boxing.

Fight Khan without it? Hmmm? Isn't GGG putting his belts on the line against Brook? Same ****e.

I'm saying that he didn't need the lineal title to lure Khan, and if he had no intention of defending it against any other MW's then he should have relinquished it.

Golovkin hasn't earned a 55/45 split against Canelo. Canelo is 27 and has over 4 million PPV buys to his name while 34 yr old Golovkinn has about 150,00. That difference in money making history and ability does not equal a 55/45 split.

Is this what boxing has come to?

So if somebody is made a mandatory, a champ can just turn around and say: "I'm not paying you that split, because your PPV numbers are poor and I have a much bigger fan base"

**** off he hasn't earnt it!

It's the rules of boxing!

If Canelo didn't like the WBC's rules, he should never have fought for the belts in the first place.

It's a disgrace!

So he was happy to fight for the belt, he was happy for it to be added to his career accomplishments, he was happy to go into the history books, but he wasn't happy with the obligations that came with it?

It stinks.

A fighter can't have it both ways.

He either respects the org or he doesn't.

Basically, Canelo was happy to be declared the champ, but he wasn't happy with what came after.

Boxing is becoming a joke.

Golovkin was made the mandatory to WBC titleholder before Canelo won it. That does not mean Canelo, or any other boxer, has to recognize that mandatory status. They had the option to follow adhere to the WBC's mandate or vacate.....they chose the latter.

They obviously had to recognise it if they wanted to keep the belt. But after talking big, he's now fighting Liam Smith.

Bravo.

[robertzimmerman]

What does any of this have to do with the facts that B Hop did jump 2 divisions to face Tarver and that Trinidad and De La Hoya were not only current Middleweight title holders when they fought B-Hop but both were also former Jr Middleweight champions??

Absolutely nothing. You can defend GGG all day but Brook, unlike Trinidad and DLH, is not a curent Middlewight Champion or even a Middleweight, not a former Jr Middleweight Champion and has never been a Top 10 P4P boxer. Please let us know when he accomplishes any of those things like Trinadad and DLH did BEFORE fighting B Hop.

Hopkins was still fighting at Middleweight when he was 40 yrs old. Get back to us in 6 yrs if Golovkin is too.

I'm giving you some perspective.

Bernard needs to shut his big mouth, because he would never have moved up in GG's current position, and he's got a damn nerve saying GG claims to want the best before fighting other people, when that's exactly what he did in 2002.

Yes, Bernard was still fighting at MW at 40. You said it. Although I respect that he was still able to fight at that age, remaining at MW until that age was not a huge achievement. It was a lack of ambition.

Nobody is celebrating the Brook fight as a great fight. It was a last minute replacement.

There was nothing great about Bernard beating Oscar at MW, when he's 6'1 with a 75" reach, and he could have been fighting better guys in higher weight classes.

Again, he said in 2008 that he could have moved up to LHW in 2002 had he have wanted to, yet he wouldn't fight Roy at 168 in 2002, despite pretending he was desperate to get him in the ring.

[mrjoeblive]

Mr. Luthor,



There's nothing wrong with a CW if both parties are in agreement.

That's not the same as demanding that a fellow MW champ has to come down for one.

You can't justify Canelo's initial decision on holding the belt hostage at 155, just because he fought Cotto there.

What Canelo tried to do was a complete joke.



I'm saying that he didn't need the lineal title to lure Khan, and if he had no intention of defending it against any other MW's then he should have relinquished it.



Is this what boxing has come to?

So if somebody is made a mandatory, a champ can just turn around and say: "I'm not paying you that split, because you're PPV numbers are poor and I have a much bigger fan base"

**** off he hasn't earnt it!

It's the rules of boxing!

If Canelo didn't like the WBC's rules, he should never have fought for the belts in the first place.

It's a disgrace!

So he was happy to fight for the belt, he was happy for it to be added to his career accomplishments, he was happy to go into the history books, but he wasn't happy with the obligations that came with it?

It stinks.

A fighter can't have it both ways.

He either respects the org or he doesn't.

Basically, Canelo was happy to be declared the champ, but he wasn't happy with what came after.

Boxing is becoming a joke.



They obviously had to recognise it if they wanted to keep the belt. But after talking big, he's now fighting Liam Smith.

Bravo.

I have to give you credit. At least you have a basis for your pro ggg argument. You cull histric info to make your point. While I really think ggg and co are ducking legit fights, you did score legit points on saul. Even though ggg initially said he would face saul at 54 ( had to sneak that in) as you pointed out they both get in the ring at 170 plus. But you at least make legit arguments.