Comments Thread For: Hopkins on GGG-Brook: Time Will Reveal All The Frauds in Boxing

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...dat fraud dropped your brother Dela Hoya for the count doe.

You know...

You should dispatch one of those aztek warriors of yours to overtake Hopkins' career, instead of barking from the sidelines like a female chihuahua.

Your racist ass just assumes i'm like you and have to root for mexicans....sad ****....idgaf

[Kigali]

I'm sure GG will eventually move up.

As soon as MW heats up one degree that bi.tch is going north to 168.

[Kigali]

Your racist ass just assumes i'm like you and have to root for mexicans....sad ****....idgaf

You are so fragile and tender.

I wonder why that is.?

[r1onnie2]

You have to respect what Hopkins is saying, I'll listen to him before I listen to GGG or anyone else.

[Mr. Luthor]

Mr. Luthor,



It's not the point whether or not they cared. They knew. They knew he was the mandatory, they knew what the terms were, and they knew they had to negotiate in a certain timescale. So they had 2 choices: They either relinquished the belt or they went to negotiate to make the fight. But instead of relinquishing straight away, they basically said: "We want a voluntary beforehand, but we'll be happy to negotiate for a fight afterwards" Again, they should have just walked from the start.



So now he doesn't care about the belt? Yet he did when he fought Cotto. He was more than happy to be declared the lineal MW title holder. He was a proud Mexican, MW champ. He cared then, but now he doesn't?

Canelo isn't a 2 weight champ. He was, until he relinquished the belt to run back to JMW.

No, Canelo doesn't hold all the cards. But yes, if he could obtain BJS's WBO belt before he meets GG, that would give him more leverage.

I agree with you that GG obviously has a shorter time in the sport. And if Canelo doesn't get to BJS first, GG will have to go all out to try and get BJS to fight him. But will BJS be interested? It's going to take a huge payday to lure him. He's already admitted on numerous occasions that GG would beat him.



Nobody refers to Canelo as being the lineal MW champ. Yes, he's got a huge fan base, but he's lost respect and GG's fan base is getting bigger each fight.

Of course BJS would fight Canelo first. Because he'll be ultra confident of beating him. Whereas he doesn't really see GG as a winnable fight.



True. But again, this time next year could see GG in a bigger position of power. And Oscar won't be able to come in and start demanding everything in Canelo's favour.

1. No reason to relinquish any title until they chose to. Voluntary before hand allowed them to make millions in the fight against Khan as well as give Canelo more exposure to the UK market. No coincidence that Canelo is facing two UK boxers in a row and in talks to face another one in December.

2. Canelo is a 2 Division champion because he has held world titles in 2 divisions. No different then Pacquiao being an 8 Division Champion.

3. Canelo cared about winning the WBC title before because winning a title in a 2nd division is good for his growing resume of accomplishments. (Not a lot of Mexican Middleweight champions)

4. Lineal title was on the line against Cotto with or without the WBC title. That is exactly why Canelo is still the Lineal and RING Middleweight Champion. You not recognizing that fact does not change that it is a fact.

5. Run back to Jr Middleweight? Hilarious!! Canelo hasn't even been a Middleweight Champion for even a full year and has never fought more than 1 pound over the Jr Middleweight max of 154. Stop the madness.

6. Canelo most certainly holds all the cards because he is the A-side and he has what Golovkin wants. Golovkin has nothing that Canelo wants. Golovkin is currently holding a belt that Canelo threw away. What does that tell you?

7. Canelo can give Saunders a few things that Golovkin cannot; a chance at the Lineal/RING titles and a huge payday with huge exposure with less risk. Advantage Canelo on every issue.

8. Golovkin's fan base is growing so much that he has to travel to the UK to face a Welterweight while on the flip-side, UK boxers are lining up to come to America to fight Mexican Canelo. Not even close.

9. GGG will not gain any leverage on Canelo because GGG has no PPV power nor anything Canelo wants. He won't next yr because GGG cannot get Canelo's Lineal and/or RING ranking unless Canelo gives him the opportunity.

[Kigali]

You have to respect what Hopkins is saying, I'll listen to him before I listen to GGG or anyone else.

..because he lived it and did it.

[robertzimmerman]

As soon as MW heats up one degree that bi.tch is going north to 168.

Ha!

Based on...?

[r1onnie2]

..because he lived it and did it.

Exactly, Hopkins has lived through and been through it all. He earned his the hard way and fought anyone you put in front of him win, lose or draw!

[Mr. Luthor]

Of course he said no to a CW. He was a fellow MW champ. Two of his own belts would have been on the line. It was just a joke. But we now know that it wouldn't have made any difference regardless.

Why did he keep it if he had no intentions of fighting GG?

He didn't need it to lure Khan in. He could have fought Khan without it.

Advantages? Ha! What, fighting a fellow MW champ at the limit for 3 belts?

If Canelo and Oscar were never going to agree with the WBC's rules, again, why didn't they relinquish the belt instead of asking to a fight Khan before negotiating with GG?

What do you mean GG hasn't earnt it? This makes me sick. Those are the rules of boxing. You can't be in favour of the rules one minute, but not the next. GG was declared his mandatory and was a 2 weight champ before he'd even beat Cotto.

Newsflash.....That WBC strap was contested at catchweight the last 3 times...Martinez vs Cotto, Cotto vs Canelo and Canelo vs Khan. Clearly it happens. Furthermore, that same WBC strap was contested at a catch weight when De La Hoya fought B Hop in 2004.

Golovkin being made the mandatory was a subjective decision. One that rarely happens in boxing.

Fight Khan without it? Hmmm? Isn't GGG putting his belts on the line against Brook? Same ****e.

Golovkin hasn't earned a 55/45 split against Canelo. Canelo is 27 and has over 4 million PPV buys to his name while 34 yr old Golovkinn has about 150,00. That difference in money making history and ability does not equal a 55/45 split.

Golovkin was made the mandatory to WBC titleholder before Canelo won it. That does not mean Canelo, or any other boxer, has to recognize that mandatory status. They had the option to follow adhere to the WBC's mandate or vacate.....they chose the latter.

Canelo became a 2 division champion when he beat Cotto. Prior to that Canelo only held major world titles at Jr Middleweight.

[Mr. Luthor]

Are you aware that Bernard stayed in a weak division for 12 years, that included an extra 5 years after he'd unified it?

Are you aware that he only fought Tarver when he'd been beaten twice by Taylor and he was in a position where he had everything to gain and nothing to lose?

Are you aware that he turned down $6m to fight Roy at a 168 CW in 2002, before having over a year out of the ring before coming back and fighting Morrade Hakkar?

Are you aware that in 2008 just prior to his fight with Calzaghe, he admitted that he could have made LHW 6 years earlier had he have wanted to?

Bernard had to make incredible sacrifices to shrink down to fight in a weak division when he could have fought at SMW and LHW earlier which were much stronger.

Bernard is 6'1, with 75" reach. He was bigger than almost all of his MW competition.

If he'd been GG's size of 5'10 with a 70" reach, we don't even know if he'd ever have left MW.

What does any of this have to do with the facts that B Hop did jump 2 divisions to face Tarver and that Trinidad and De La Hoya were not only current Middleweight title holders when they fought B-Hop but both were also former Jr Middleweight champions??

Absolutely nothing. You can defend GGG all day but Brook, unlike Trinidad and DLH, is not a curent Middlewight Champion or even a Middleweight, not a former Jr Middleweight Champion and has never been a Top 10 P4P boxer. Please let us know when he accomplishes any of those things like Trinadad and DLH did BEFORE fighting B Hop.

Hopkins was still fighting at Middleweight when he was 40 yrs old. Get back to us in 6 yrs if Golovkin is too.