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Bernard Hopkins took calculated risks, he is 1 of the most overrated modern ATG
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post1) His success at an old age. People give him all the credit in the world for his wins but totally disregard his losses and shortcomings as a fighter
Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post2) His middleweight title reign....he didnt unify the title until more than a dozen defenses over mostly non-discript opponents, washed up former champions, and flat out no hopers. His biggest win is over trinidad who has one good win over 154. ODLH didnt belong above 154, nor did a shot simon brown
Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post3) Title defenses....newflash...Hopkins defended the unified/lineal title only 6 times and the ibf 20 times.....He holds the record for most defenses of a major title belt....carlos monzon holds the record for world's middleweight champion title defenses at 14.....2 totally different things
Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post4) He fought his best opponents at crappy times in their careers.....intead of defend the middleweight title vs winky wright when winky was the man at 154, he fights him at 170, did the same thing with Pavlik.he rematches roy jones after he was ktfo a few times but wouldnt fight him at his best and wanted 50/50 from a guy who already beat him clearly, was a bigger star, and champion in a higher division. Basically he priced himself out to avoid eminent defeat..he knew he couldnt beat Jones in 1999-2003
Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post
5) He is supposed to be a tactician, have a high ring IQ. He does but its overrated. Speed and movement always troubled him. which is why robert allen got 3 title shots, Jones clearly beat him, Jermain taylor beat him 2x, he flopped vs Dawson and specialized in disarming come forward types but had trouble with counter punchers and guys who would let him set the pace like Kovalev
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Postthank you for proving my point....i'll ask you now.....who was more consistent...Calzaghe or Tarver?
Tarver was erratic man
he was never p4p to me....just because you beat someone thats p4p doesnt make you automatically p4p its the body of work, and tarver was inconsistent on the highest level
Tarver was one of the best P4P fighters in the world. He might not have been P4P to you but to everyone else in the world he was.
It's not even comparable and you're revising history.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Poststylistically though, Johnson was tailor made for hopkins....he eats up come forward types with the basic boxing stance, head on center of defense.
What the **** are these bizarre staments you are making?
"Deliberate style"
ИATAS Robinson...... Do you know?
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Postyea.....I agree....thats around the time the jones rematch should have happened
too bad his opposition was mostly hot gawbage around this time
He was a bad MFer then.....he had fights on espn and usa back then
he maintained a high level after this, his punched output dropped a bit after 2002 but he was still a top ten p4p guy until the mid to late 2000s....I think Taylor just had his number style size, speed and size, good jab and combos. It was clear Hopkins wasnt prime anymore, he had a good motor in the late 90s. He could control fighters better in the early 2000s though
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostCalzaghe wasn't even on the radar. He's a paper titlest and completely unknown.
Tarver was one of the best P4P fighters in the world. He might not have been P4P to you but to everyone else in the world he was.
It's not even comparable and you're revising history.
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Originally posted by soul_survivor View PostCalzaghe a paper titlist, ffs man you are really a **** poster.
You're aware that at the time Joe Calzaghe was only the WBO Champion? At that point in time the WBO was barely even considered a legitimate sanctioning body.
Of course you aren't aware of this because you're clueless and likely not following the sport at that time.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostCalzaghe wasn't even on the radar. He's a paper titlest and completely unknown.
Tarver was one of the best P4P fighters in the world. He might not have been P4P to you but to everyone else in the world he was.
It's not even comparable and you're revising history.
Calzaghe was better than Tarver in 2006 despite poorer opposition, and he disliked Tarver because he was inconsistent. THAT IS LITERALLY HOPKINS AND TONEY.
The double standards this guy comes up with are unreal.
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