Max Kellerman Blast Mayweather on First Take Pac will fight Crawford

[The Big Dunn]

It's 2016 and taking shots at Floyd is still the way to get attention?

Edit: Revisionist history by Max. He forgets that ODH, SHane did this to Floyd when he was high risk, low reward. Also, the notion that Manny goes headfirst into challenges is over stating things.

Max is at HBO so he is doing his part to detract from Floyd's career. Is what it is.

[bojangles1987]

After becoming a star, the only fights Mayweather didn't take that people wanted and when they wanted were Margarito, which he has been rightfully criticized for, and Pacquiao, who was just as complicit in putting the fight off so long as Mayweather was.

And let's be honest, Mayweather's level of competition was always as good as anyone else's. His fans will overrate fights like Ortiz and Guerrero, but the guy was also fighting Mosley, Cotto, Alvarez, and Pac. There are legit questions about where Mosley, Cotto, and Pac were at those points in their careers, but they were still top fighters and champions, even past their best.

This is without even bringing up his career as Pretty Boy rather than Money, when he reigned over a division, moved up and beat the best lightweight in the world, and had fighters avoiding him. I don't like Mayweather or some of the crap he pulled, but he maintained a very good level of competition his entire career, better than most fighters could ever claim.

[soul_survivor]

Maybe because Floyd fought once year, he's (rightfully) regarded as the best boxer of the last 20 years, calls himself TBE and has been telling us "belts ain't sht?"

The problem with Floyd is he was an hypocrit, one day it's "**** the belt", the other day "Ortiz was the WBC champ doe".
He has been almost lying more than the whole GGG team.

Berto and Ortiz were horrible picks for a fighter of such caliber.

Bradley and Margo were most relevant fighters, even Manny fought them.

Floyd waited 10 years to fight Cotto, 6 to fight Manny, we waited with him.

This sums it up. Much like Jones before him, we can spend more time talking about the fights Floyd missed or took too long to make then we can on fights that actually happened.

[Spoon23]

It's 2016 and taking shots at Floyd is still the way to get attention?

Naah, that's how you fl0mos deflect what is actually important in this thread. which is not me bud, it's what Max said that you guys rather dodge lol

Oh, if it's a consolation, I love seeing how you floyd fan's congregate and turn the heat on me than to what really matters most in this thread which is Max's opinion. It only shows I've hit a nerve again.

Take it easy homes. It's just news.

# floyd did it to himself don't blame it on the rain.

[soul_survivor]

It's 2016 and taking shots at Floyd is still the way to get attention?

It's not necessarily a pot shot at Floyd. Listen to what Max is saying and what the original point of this thread is: Floyd created an environment in boxing which is not conducive to good fights taking place and deceived sports fans and even journalists, whereas Pacquiao almost always took on the best available challenge. It's not just a case of May/Pac but a case of 2 differing ideologies.

One ideology is now dying and when we do get a fighter who fights everyone relevant (Pacquiao, Froch are just 2 examples) we label them throwbacks. When we get fighters more involved in politics and putting fights off, such as Mayweather or more recently Canelo, we don't really say much that is respectful because it has become the norm.

[deathofaclown]

Maybe because Floyd fought once year, he's (rightfully) regarded as the best boxer of the last 20 years, calls himself TBE and has been telling us "belts ain't sht?"

The problem with Floyd is he was an hypocrit, one day it's "**** the belt", the other day "Ortiz was the WBC champ doe".
He has been almost lying more than the whole GGG team.

Berto and Ortiz were horrible picks for a fighter of such caliber.

Bradley and Margo were most relevant fighters, even Manny fought them.

Floyd waited 10 years to fight Cotto, 6 to fight Manny, we waited with him.

But you can argue it also took Manny 6 years to fight Floyd, it goes both ways, if Manny wouldn't take the tests etc... Also Arum stopped Cotto fighting Floyd for a long time, he said he wasn't ready, that's on record. Cotto was with Top Rank for a while and Floyd and Top Rank weren't doing deals.

Manny fought Mosley and Hatton and De La Hoya after Floyd already beat them and didn't even have to drain De La Hoya or Cotto.

By the way i'm not disagreeing or arguing, i like both Floyd and Manny, but i'm showing how easy it is to spin things for your own agenda if you really want to.

By the way, Berto was a horrible pick, Guerrero too in a way. But Ortiz at the time was not, i don't care how bad he is in hindsight. Hindsight doesn't exist when a fight is signed and at the time Ortiz was WBC Champ, had beaten a hyped undefeated Berto. At the time of signing the fight, that isn't a bad opponent for anybody. You can't go on hindsight when judging a fight, you should only go from when the fight was signed and happened. Otherwise we can pick holes in any opponent after they lose.

[travestyny]

Toney was hilarious..... 'don't try come at me wit no badass questions' and all Jim said was were you too fast for him

LMAOOOO!!!!

I GOT MILK, BABY!!! LOL Toney was a damn fool!!! Might be P4P one of the best personalities the sport had, with the skills to back it up!!!

[Lester Tutor]

LMAOOOOO. Damn, bruh. This **** made my day!!! Funniest **** I've seen in ages!

head first!

[The Big Dunn]

It's not necessarily a pot shot at Floyd. Listen to what Max is saying and what the original point of this thread is: Floyd created an environment in boxing which is not conducive to good fights taking place and deceived sports fans and even journalists, whereas Pacquiao almost always took on the best available challenge. It's not just a case of May/Pac but a case of 2 differing ideologies.

One ideology is now dying and when we do get a fighter who fights everyone relevant (Pacquiao, Froch are just 2 examples) we label them throwbacks. When we get fighters more involved in politics and putting fights off, such as Mayweather or more recently Canelo, we don't really say much that is respectful because it has become the norm.

See my edit. That is an absolute lie. HBO fighters Shane, ODH, Naseem Hamed all did same to Floyd when he was high risk, no reward. Max maybe just forgot that.

Again do not over exaggerate the quality of whom Manny fought.

The reality is HBO, Max's employer, has prevented their signed fighters from fights for years yet somehow they try to blame Floyd. Floyd didn't make Sugar Ray pull that BS with hagler or wait 8 years to rematch Hearns. Floyd didn't prevent Roy and Darius. Floyd didn't prevent Juan ma/Gamboa. Floyd didn't prevent GGG/Canelo. etc. etc.

The ideology is HBO's. They sign guys because they are stars then put those stars in mostly winnable fights because they see that fans like stars. They don't force them into any bad situations because losing hurts HBO's profits. They don't make them take tough fights.

Floyd did the same things he saw Bob do with his big stars and copied it when he went out on his own.when Floyd leaves HBO and takes that strategy to SHO now its suddenly wrong and his fault GTFOH!!

[The Big Dunn]

Naah, that's how you fl0mos deflect what is actually important in this thread. which is not me bud, it's what Max said that you guys rather dodge lol

Oh, if it's a consolation, I love seeing how you floyd fan's congregate and turn the heat on me than to what really matters most in this thread which is Max's opinion. It only, shows I've hit a nerve again.

Take it easy homes. It's just news.

# floyd did it to himself don't blame it on the rain.

We get it. Max works for HBO and Manny works for HBO as well. If Paulie said something positive about Floyd the 1st thing you'd point out is they work for the same team.

No different here so what Max said is taken in that context.