Did Floyd Mayweather use PED's? (simple answer for an OG member please)

[ADP02]

Who helped him out? USADA WAS IN HIS A$$. So how is your Lance bs relevant?

Lance's situation is very relevant.

You put out tons of BS excuses as why you think it made no sense. Lance's history proves that its possible and that big organizations could not cover up everything and Lance still got caught with PEDs and Lance required a RETRO prescription and help from top dogs.

So to say, Floyd still had to go thru the testing steps just like Lance did. Lance got caught with PEDs and got himself out due to those he paid out and that RETRO Prescription. Floyd did something similar.

No other explanation as to why someone who made weight EASILY for a decade, as Floyd admitted, needs an IV. It does not make sense. His weight was stable for 30 days. His BS excuses do NOT add up either. Blood tests happened 10 days before and giving urine does not let you dehydrate. Nor was he training that day. Plus we see him able to drink after the weigh in enough to take him from mild to him being FULLY REHYDRATED.



Lance also delayed getting tested and masked using an IV ......





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[travestyny]

Lance's situation is very relevant.

You put out tons of BS excuses as why you think it made no sense. Lance's history proves that its possible and that big organizations could not cover up everything and Lance still got caught with PEDs and Lance required a RETRO prescription and help from top dogs.

I asked a simple question. Who helped Lance out? For Mayweather to have cheated, do you understand that he would have to buy out not only USADA but also WADA? If he had failed any test, for any reason, the result would have been sent to WADA, as I've told you a million times. The labs that are used are not USADA labs. That doesn't exist. They are independent labs that are WADA certified. They report directly to WADA.

So to say, Floyd still had to go thru the testing steps just like Lance did. Lance got caught with PEDs and got himself out due to those he paid out and that RETRO Prescription. Floyd did something similar.

Oh really? What did Floyd get caught with? Where is his failed test? You are making **** up according to your own scenario.

1. He wasn't caught with the IV. This is easily verified since he was contacted about the test before the IV, shadowed by USADA, and took the IV much later in the day.
2. Mayweather was never caught with PED's.
3. If there were a positive test, it would have been sent to WADA immediately.
4. Mayweather passed 17 other tests and there was no IV, including the one on the day of the fight.
5. Speculating about microdosing isn't going to help you when if USADA was helping him, there would not give a test until he is in the clear instead of creating a paper trail that would get them investigated by WADA. It doesn't make sense.

No other explanation as to why someone who made weight EASILY for a decade, as Floyd admitted, needs an IV. It does not make sense. His weight was stable for 30 days. His BS excuses do NOT add up either. Blood tests happened 10 days before and giving urine does not let you dehydrate. Nor was he training that day. Plus we see him able to drink after the weigh in enough to take him from mild to him being FULLY REHYDRATED.

So your whole argument is that because he never took an IV before, he could not have needed one now? I think you know that's laughable. WADA itself said that there are circumstances where an IV would be preferred to drinking water. We've gone over this before so you should be well aware of this. You keep repeating the same thing over and over, but you know all of this information already. You don't have his medical records, do you? If so, I'd like to see them. Thanks.

Lance also delayed getting tested and masked using an IV ......

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Right. So everyone that uses an IV and delays is guilty of using PED's. Mayweather also delayed during the Mosley fight. Perhaps he could have used an IV, perhaps not, but didn't have one. He went on to pass all the tests, as per usual.

WADA has specific rules on collecting urine. Why do you think there is a system regarding partial urine samples. Obviously there are circumstances where athletes can't piss enough, right? Why would an athlete not be able to piss enough? Could dehydration be a reason? Can an IV help with rehydration?

The above questions should help you understand.

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[Lester Tutor]

I love these threads!

[travestyny]

Good point!


Here he is in 2007!!!

[ADP02]

I asked a simple question. Who helped Lance out? For Mayweather to have cheated, do you understand that he would have to buy out not only USADA but also WADA? If he had failed any test, for any reason, the result would have been sent to WADA, as I've told you a million times. The labs that are used are not USADA labs. That doesn't exist. They are independent labs that are WADA certified. They report directly to WADA.

No. As I told you before, this went way over your head.

If USADA does not give Floyd a RETRO TUE and the labs turn up a positive result in that Floyd used an IV then Floyd would have been in trouble.

Oh really? What did Floyd get caught with? Where is his failed test? You are making **** up according to your own scenario.

1. He wasn't caught with the IV. This is easily verified since he was contacted about the test before the IV, shadowed by USADA, and took the IV much later in the day.
2. Mayweather was never caught with PED's.
3. If there were a positive test, it would have been sent to WADA immediately.
4. Mayweather passed 17 other tests and there was no IV, including the one on the day of the fight.
5. Speculating about microdosing isn't going to help you when if USADA was helping him, there would not give a test until he is in the clear instead of creating a paper trail that would get them investigated by WADA. It doesn't make sense.

1. As I told you before, this went way over your head. Read above.



2-3-4.
a) Lance said he passed all his tests too. That was a lie due to the cover ups but also because we now know that he used PEDs.
b) Go read what you said in your post(below)
"So your whole argument is that because he never took an IV before, he could not have needed one now? I think you know that's laughable."

Same with his tests. Just because he was able to get negative tests before, it does not mean that a positive result was not possible.

5. I told you already. Lance Armstrong still had to go thru the process and was caught with PEDs and other times masked, delayed, microdosed and so on. Go check out Lance's history. So it makes sense.

So your whole argument is that because he never took an IV before, he could not have needed one now? I think you know that's laughable. WADA itself said that there are circumstances where an IV would be preferred to drinking water. We've gone over this before so you should be well aware of this. You keep repeating the same thing over and over, but you know all of this information already. You don't have his medical records, do you? If so, I'd like to see them. Thanks.

Stop it. Floyd said that he was dehydrated and why he was dehydrated. You bring up points that have nothing to do with what Floyd said and in conflict with the circumstances.

Floyd was able to drink water and we saw evidence of him drinking just enough to bring Floyd from mild to FULLY REHYDRATED.


WRONG: I made many points. Floyd was fine according to a lot of evidence that we have just before the IV was given. Floyd was at most mildly dehydtrated and he lied and thanked Dr Alex Ariza.

As for medical records, we have Floyd's vital signs and physical examination and his prefight form. Oh you have 0 medical records or medical information as far as Manny's injury is concerned and if you go check your other posts, that has never stopped you from being so certain about Manny's injury.

Right. So everyone that uses an IV and delays is guilty of using PED's. Mayweather also delayed during the Mosley fight. Perhaps he could have used an IV, perhaps not, but didn't have one. He went on to pass all the tests, as per usual.

WADA has specific rules on collecting urine. Why do you think there is a system regarding partial urine samples. Obviously there are circumstances where athletes can't piss enough, right? Why would an athlete not be able to piss enough? Could dehydration be a reason? Can an IV help with rehydration?

The above questions should help you understand.

Sorry but this is a very lame response from you. IVs are banned for a reason. Drinking fluids, in which we saw Floyd can do, is what WADA, USADA and studies state to do. It has to be an emergency type medical reason for using an IV. Not because Floyd was not patient about his fake urination issues, which is a red flag since it was many hours that went by already and Floyd drank enough to recover from dehydration anyways. Floyd was delaying and USADA let Floyd do whatever he wanted!!!!! This should have been investigated too!!!

[travestyny]

No. As I told you before, this went way over your head.

If USADA does not give Floyd a RETRO TUE and the labs turn up a positive result in that Floyd used an IV then Floyd would have been in trouble.




1. As I told you before, this went way over your head. Read above.



2-3-4.
a) Lance said he passed all his tests too. That was a lie due to the cover ups but also because we now know that he used PEDs.
b) Go read what you said in your post(below)
"So your whole argument is that because he never took an IV before, he could not have needed one now? I think you know that's laughable."

Same with his tests. Just because he was able to get negative tests before, it does not mean that a positive result was not possible.

5. I told you already. Lance Armstrong still had to go thru the process and was caught with PEDs and other times masked, delayed, microdosed and so on. Go check out Lance's history. So it makes sense.



Stop it. Floyd said that he was dehydrated and why he was dehydrated. You bring up points that have nothing to do with what Floyd said and in conflict with the circumstances.

Floyd was able to drink water and we saw evidence of him drinking just enough to bring Floyd from mild to FULLY REHYDRATED.


WRONG: I made many points. Floyd was fine according to a lot of evidence that we have just before the IV was given. Floyd was at most mildly dehydtrated and he lied and thanked Dr Alex Ariza.

As for medical records, we have Floyd's vital signs and physical examination and his prefight form. Oh you have 0 medical records or medical information as far as Manny's injury is concerned and if you go check your other posts, that has never stopped you from being so certain about Manny's injury.



Sorry but this is a very lame response from you. IVs are banned for a reason. Drinking fluids, in which we saw Floyd can do, is what WADA, USADA and studies state to do. It has to be an emergency type medical reason for using an IV. Not because Floyd was not patient about his fake urination issues, which is a red flag since it was many hours that went by already and Floyd drank enough to recover from dehydration anyways. Floyd was delaying and USADA let Floyd do whatever he wanted!!!!! This should have been investigated too!!!

Yawwwn. Nothing went over anyone's head. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

He needs the TUE just in case it comes back positive? Positive for what? If it comes back positive for PED's, he's guilty even with the TUE.

If you mean to cover up it being postive for traces of using the IV, he could have easily microdosed, as you claim he did, and made sure it was out of his system well before taking the test, and USADA could have made sure of that.

And once again, just because you can physically drink doesn't mean that the IV isn't more appropriate to do. USADA has documents that explain that and I showed it to you already.

[Raonic]

Unless he gets caught, I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

[ippo]

of course he did.but then again they all do.

[ADP02]

Yawwwn. Nothing went over anyone's head. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

He needs the TUE just in case it comes back positive? Positive for what? If it comes back positive for PED's, he's guilty even with the TUE.

If you mean to cover up it being postive for traces of using the IV, he could have easily microdosed, as you claim he did, and made sure it was out of his system well before taking the test, and USADA could have made sure of that.

And once again, just because you can physically drink doesn't mean that the IV isn't more appropriate to do. USADA has documents that explain that and I showed it to you already.

See, it did go over your head.

If Floyd/USADA hid the fact that Floyd used an IV then if the labs come back that he used an IV then he would be in trouble. I'm not talking about PEDs. I'm talking about Floyd using an IV to mask the PEDs. IVs are contained in plastic bags. They can leave a trace of the plastic when using the IV. If the lab finds that trace, Floyd is in trouble .....

So that is why they came up with the RETRO TUE in which you said that they could have hid from everyone.


apples and oranges in several ways.

1) Floyd was at most mildly dehydrated and would have been FULLY REHYDRATED after drinking the fluids after the weigh in.

2) Your explanation in your previous post was about Floyd having to wait to urinate so an IV was OK for that reason. No its not!!! Not unless Floyd's condition was bad enough to warrant an IV but that was not the case.