Would Hopkins get the same heat..

[Sweet Jones]

Correct, because a MW champion defending against a WW is not something shameful or cowardly, the way you clowns are trying to make it out to be.

2 of the biggest, most famous fights in boxing history - Hagler vs SRL and Hearns, were MW vs WW for the MW title.

Both Leonard (Kalule) and Hearns (Benitez; Duran) had already beat very good/great fighters and won belts @ 154 before fighting Hagler.

[therealpugilist]

Whatever you think about GGG vs Brook, you can't talk about it in terms of Loeffler and Golovkin making a WW move up, or cherry picking a WW instead of fighting MWs, etc.

Golovkin signed to fight Eubank. He and Loeffler had no part in the switch of opponent. That was Eddie Hearn's doing, not theirs. And, by definition, it can't be called a cherry pick, because Golovkin didn't pick Brook. Brook stepped up and asked for the fight himself, and it was his promoter who made it happen.

it was a cherry pick...deal with it

[b00g13man]

Correct, because a MW champion defending against a WW is not something shameful or cowardly, the way you clowns are trying to make it out to be.

2 of the biggest, most famous fights in boxing history - Hagler vs SRL and Hearns, were MW vs WW for the MW title.

Oh, so you didn't have an issue with Canelo/Khan? Is that what you're telling me?

Also, Leonard had won a 154 title, and Hearns had campaigned at 154 for a number of years (also winning a title) prior to facing Hagler.

The most important thing you clowns forget is that both Leonard and Hearns, and any other example of fighters making the "jump" is pedigree. All were special fighters.

Leonard, Hearns then freaking Kell Brook with only one decent win two years ago at 147.

That's a big difference.

[Mr.Fantastic]

For fighting some of the top WW's of his time had they moved up to MW? Vernon Forest, Ricardo Mayorga, Mosley, Oscar & Tito? I doubt it..

I'm sorry but id take all of them over most of the scrubs he reigned over. Peace

Of course not. It only applies to a different flag/skin color.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yes, Kell "I decisioned Porter 2 years ago" Brook > DLH, Mosley, Tito.
Lol, thx for the laugh.

Same shit.

Great big man vs great little man.

Good big man vs good little man.


Real fans know GGG isn't great atm.

[New England]

Whatever you think about GGG vs Brook, you can't talk about it in terms of Loeffler and Golovkin making a WW move up, or cherry picking a WW instead of fighting MWs, etc.

Golovkin signed to fight Eubank. He and Loeffler had no part in the switch of opponent. That was Eddie Hearn's doing, not theirs. And, by definition, it can't be called a cherry pick, because Golovkin didn't pick Brook. Brook stepped up and asked for the fight himself, and it was his promoter who made it happen.

well, you can't blame them for trying to fight eubanks and his father pricing himself out. or blame him for the rest of the MW division running kicking and screaming.


that said, there are two sides to a coin. golovkin himself has admitted that he doens't pick his opponetns, but he is obviously given the right to refuse, which would take the form of holding out on the contract.


they went into negotiations with eubank. eubanks pulls out. not golovkin's fault. i'm with you there. then they get in talks with a welterweight to try and salvage a UK date and spot on UK TV. it's there where i start to have a problem. there are other options. you might not get an easy fight on UK TV and for big itme UK money, but at least you don't put a pound for pound middleweight into the ring with a good, but overmatched welterweight, and try and sell it as something it's not.

yes, golovkin's opponents are to blame for running. sitll that doesn't mean anybody held a gun to golovkin's head, or his team's head, and made him fight a welterweight.

[New England]

Both Leonard (Kalule) and Hearns (Benitez; Duran) had already beat very good/great fighters and won belts @ 154 before fighting Hagler.

they're also all time greats. ray leonard is one of the best fighters ever at any weight. top 25 ATG on any list. hearns won titles all the way to 190 lbs . dude was gigantic! it's not a fair comparison. it really isn't. i understand that golovkin's hand are largely tied, but we can't lose sight of what this is, which is a horrible mismatch pitting a pound for pounder against a guy two weight classes below.

[kafkod]

leonard had actually been at JMW and back several times. he actually beat a very solid 154 lber named ayub kalule before the hearns fight, sometjing a lot of people don't know.


and hearns was one of the best 154 lbers ever on the strength of his win over benitez, and destructionof duran. hearns hadn't fought at welterweight since he got knocked out by leonard. he'd go on to have significant wins as high as 175 aginst virgil hill, and even fought for and won world titles at CW, which was 190 lbs at the time.


so this is not only an unfair comparison about teh size, you're also not considering that leonard and hearns are arguably the two best h2h WWs ever! which is important!

And they were fighting Marvin Hagler, arguably the best MW ever, which is also important!

The size comparison of Brook to Hearns and SRL is not unfair. Brook is a huge WW, as were Tommy and Sugar Ray.. He revealed in an interview yesterday that he can no longer make 147.

Back in the days of same-day weigh ins, I very much doubt that Kell would have been fighting at 154, let alone 147.

[kafkod]

well, you can't blame them for trying to fight eubanks and his father pricing himself out. or blame him for the rest of the MW division running kicking and screaming.


that said, there are two sides to a coin. golovkin himself has admitted that he doens't pick his opponetns, but he is obviously given the right to refuse, which would take the form of holding out on the contract.


they went into negotiations with eubank. eubanks pulls out. not golovkin's fault. i'm with you there. then they get in talks with a welterweight to try and salvage a UK date and spot on UK TV. it's there where i start to have a problem. there are other options. you might not get an easy fight on UK TV and for big itme UK money, but at least you don't put a pound for pound middleweight into the ring with a good, but overmatched welterweight, and try and sell it as something it's not.

yes, golovkin's opponents are to blame for running. sitll that doesn't mean anybody held a gun to golovkin's head, or his team's head, and made him fight a welterweight.

I don't know how much GGG is being paid for this fight, but it's safe to assume he will be making at least as much as his challenger, so Golovkin stands to double his highest ever purse by fighting Brook.

Hand on heart, do you think any fighter would turn down a career high purse offer because the opponent was too easy? (Except Andre Ward, of course)

[VERSION1 (V1)]

Of course not. It only applies to a different flag/skin color.

are you saying brook is as good as Tito, Shane and Oscar who all won titles at 154 and Tito and Oscar both won titles at 160 before facing hopkins