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  • Originally posted by New England View Post
    tbrb is a more partial source, and they've got brook over thurman.


    how could you possibly rank anybody higher than brook after pacquiao and floyd had retired, and prior to thurman beating brook?


    who did you have at the top at WW before porter - thurman?
    I'll ask you this NE:

    How long can one win last?

    While I think Brook is one of the best Welterweights out there he hasn't done anything at the weight in 2 years. The top spot is open until these guys prove it against themselves in the ring. Brook without question could of beat Vargas and shown why he should be the top guy, but instead he is choosing to go up to middleweight to get chin checked.

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    • Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
      I'll ask you this NE:

      How long can one win last?

      While I think Brook is one of the best Welterweights out there he hasn't done anything at the weight in 2 years. The top spot is open until these guys prove it against themselves in the ring. Brook without question could of beat Vargas and shown why he should be the top guy, but instead he is choosing to go up to middleweight to get chin checked.


      depends on what else is goign on in the division.


      i'll ask you a specific question that should hopefully drive toward an answer for both of us:

      what went on to get you to take brook down from his top spot? after he beat porter, a good young fighter who had just appeared to be hitting his stride, a lot of people ranked him at the top of WW after floyd and manny. then floyd and manny retired, leaving brook at the top. yes, it's a less secure spot, but he was still at the top of basically every rating board.



      so what went on for you to take him down from his top spot, specifically prior to thurman beating brook?

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      • Originally posted by New England View Post
        depends on what else is goign on in the division.


        i'll ask you a specific question that should hopefully drive toward an answer for both of us:

        what went on to get you to take brook down from his top spot? after he beat porter, a good young fighter who had just appeared to be hitting his stride, a lot of people ranked him at the top of WW after floyd and manny. then floyd and manny retired, leaving brook at the top. yes, it's a less secure spot, but he was still at the top of basically every rating board.



        so what went on for you to take him down from his top spot, specifically prior to thurman beating brook?
        As many did, I had him behind Floyd and Manny until their retirement. When they retired even though I thought Brook was the best of the bunch he still hadn't done anythung aside from chase Khan since Porter. Although i thought he was the best talent wise, nobody was doing anything to take the top spot. I'm of the mindset that you have to take it, who wants it just handed to them? Now that those guys are retired i'd like to see one of these young guys prove who is the best by fighting one another(which it seems like they might start doing, but we have been disappointed before).

        That top spot is vacant until these guys step it up. I gave Bradley the same flack a few weeks ago in another thread as he seems like he doesn't care if he fights the other top welters, he is just happy having lost to Pacquiao 3 times (2 if you count the robbery)

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        • Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
          That's the point, nobody has really separated themselves as the top guy. That's why we're saying we'd like them to all fight each other to determine the best. Would of liked to see that play itself out but Brook is now fighting GGG instead of Vargas. Now we'll have to wait at least on him while the other guys hopefully fight each other. I think Garcia takes himself out of the race if he goes on to fight the Bertos of the world, he just got what he thought was gonna be a soft touch against Guerrero
          I have nothing against this. Brook was talking about a round robin, super 6 type tournament for the welterweights the other day. That would be ideal.

          I think it's fair to say that the best welterweight needs to be found between Brook, Thurman, Spence & Garcia.

          Those 4 are really the only ones I can see.

          But it's totally wrong that we aren't getting those fights.

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          • After a career defining victory over the future Hall Of Famer Kevin Bizier there's really nowhere left to go for Brook. Golovkin thankfully isn't afraid to step up to the Kell Brook wrecking machine!!!

            War Brook!!

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            • Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
              I have nothing against this. Brook was talking about a round robin, super 6 type tournament for the welterweights the other day. That would be ideal.

              I think it's fair to say that the best welterweight needs to be found between Brook, Thurman, Spence & Garcia.

              Those 4 are really the only ones I can see.

              But it's totally wrong that we aren't getting those fights.
              If Arum is really considering doing business with Haymon I hope Garcia vs Vargas is next. Both are looking for a dance partner now, it'll give us a little more clarity in the division

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              • Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                Defending his title against domestic level bums, which is what I said from the beginning but go ahead as you were the one comparing Marquez not fighting to Brook fighting in 2 years, whereas i was comparing the length in time they took on somebody that was good. Please let us know the murderers row Brook has fought since Porter.
                Please let us know the murderers row any other welterweight has fought that trumps Brook beating an Undefeated Porter and taking his belt. Your Marquez comparison is ****** since Brook's win over Porter is a lot more recent than anything Marquez has done, and Brook defended against 3 mandatories after recovering from a near-death attack while Marquez has done......... nothing.

                You can keep going on and on about Marquez and trying to change the subject, but the guy simply isn't relevant as of 2016 in the welterweight division. I know you can't read, but this thread is about whether or not Brook is #1 at Welter, and you have nothing left to say after all your points have been debunked.

                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                Please point out where I have said "Oh i'm too mature/old for this", i'll wait. I did however point out how dumb kids like yourself start calling names when they have no argument. And where did I swear? I don't swear, I did call you an idiot though as you are, so no foul. You equate me having a picture honoring a great trainer as me thinking i'm old and wise Man you really are dumb. Guess everyone who has a sig or avi with an old fighter or trainer better watch out or they'll appear as if they are trying to be some sort of wise boxing guru
                Dude, you are clearly a fake and very bad at it, just stop. When you try to act all mature and claim that you will never again respond to "kids" like me, and then the moment I reply you come storming back cursing like a kid, no one can take you seriously again. It's seriously cringe worthy.

                You're still trying to save face here and I'm actually embarrassed for you.

                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                Again, nobody ever said Marquz was above Brook we said his win over Pacquiao is better than Brooks win over Porter. Read the bold slowly a few times in a row, maybe it'll sink through
                Debatable, Pacquiao hadn't looked good in years and was coming off mediocre performances while Porter was young, was an undefeated champion and coming off the biggest win of his life.

                It's not always who you beat it's WHEN you beat them. Read that a few times and let it sink in.

                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                Crushed what? All you did was go on some dumb rant that oh Brook was more impressive, Spence is unproven(although Spence's win over Algieri is better than anything Brook has done since Porter), Bradley hasn't beat a top welter in years(funny thing is Brook hasn't beaten a top welter in 2 years).
                Ok, lets break this down for your ******ed ass again and we'll see who the dumb ranter is.

                You: Spence is better than Brook
                Me: Spence's win over Algieri can't compare to Brook's win over Porter.
                You: ..................

                Crushed.

                You: Bradley is better than Brook
                Me: Bradley hasn't beaten any top undefeated ranked welters while Brook beat an undefeated champion in Porter.
                You:...............

                Crushed.

                There, is that simple enough for you?

                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                You also never asked why, you just asked who I thought would beat Brook, you yourself don't even give reasons why. You'd rather talk about "oh da bidnezz side" on why Brook hasn't fought anyone in the welterweight division since Porter, even though he has had an opportunity and chose to fight mandatories and chase after a chinny fighter in Khan.
                Once again, his win over an undefeated champion in Porter is better than anything other welterweights have done, and I've explained why. Now I know you never made it past the 3rd grade and can't read, but mandatories are called mandatories for a reason. He fights them, or loses his belt.

                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                Again, what have you debunked? All you gave were excuses. I've said he has to fight them in order to give credit but you'd rather just give credit off of wins he doesn't have and let the one win he does last several years. Do you not see how pathetic that is? Of course you don't, look who i'm talking too No need to save face when you've already provided enough ammo to show how idiotic you are.
                No, I gave Brook credit for a win he does have over Porter. You brought up Thurman and Spence. I explained clearly why Brook was more impressive than Thurman against the same opponent, and why Spence is still unproven.

                You've already lost yet you want to keep arguing for the sake of arguing even when deep down you already agree with me. Do you not see how pathetic this is? Of course you don't, look who I'm talking to. You just keep embarrassing yourself further and further.


                Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                You know what's a shame is i've said Brook was talented, but he needs to fight the other guys out there just like they need to fight each other to PROVE they are the number 1 guy. You just give Brook that by default, which i understand as you're a fanboy.
                Again I know your dumb ass can't read and don't know anything about boxing, but once again fights won't just happen the second you want them to, and some fights may never happen.

                I don't give Brook the top spot by default, I look at his win over an undefeated Porter, look at the skills he showed, and compare that to Thurman and other welterweights, and I draw my conclusions. That doesn't make me a fanboy, it makes me a boxing fan.

                You on the other hand have contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion after all your points were debunked. You can't admit defeat and can't find a single welterweight better than Brook, so you just want to keep b!tching and moaning.
                Last edited by Da Pimper; 07-11-2016, 09:51 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                  Nah man that can't be right, wide open? You have to give it to Brook even though his last relevant win in the division was 2 years ago.
                  Lmao, see deep down you already know that Brook is #1 at Welter, you just want to keep arguing to save face. Glad we agree on this.

                  It's alright buddy when you grow up you'll realize that keeping up an image in an online boxing forum isn't all that important.

                  WAR SPECIAL K!!!!

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                  • Originally posted by Da Pimper View Post
                    Lmao, see deep down you already know that Brook is #1 at Welter, you just want to keep arguing to save face. Glad we agree on this.

                    It's alright buddy when you grow up you'll realize that keeping up an image in an online boxing forum isn't all that important.

                    WAR SPECIAL K!!!!
                    Your inability to detect sarcasm would be surprising if I didn't already know that you were so ******.

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                    • Originally posted by Rip Chudd View Post
                      Your inability to detect sarcasm would be surprising if I didn't already know that you were so ******.
                      I was being sarcastic myself you moron Not surprised since you clearly never made it past grade school.

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