Comments Thread For: Wilder vs. Povetkin: WBC Gives Update on Investigation

[Weltschmerz]

Updated WADA statement,

... This updated guidance confirms that from 1 March (and up until 30 September) 2016, cases with a low concentration of meldonium found in an athlete’s sample (less than 1 μg /mL) are compatible with a no fault finding. Other cases are to be managed according to guidance by the responsible anti-doping organizations (ADOs).

Typically, WADA does not commission excretion studies for substances that are added to the List as the Agency is generally able to rely on this information being provided by the manufacturer or regulatory authorities. In the case of meldonium, however, no information relating to urinary excretion was available and so once it was added to the List, WADA undertook excretion studies.

“We are pleased that the necessary urinary excretion studies have now progressed; and that, the guidance we are now able to provide our stakeholders to help them manage meldonium cases is clear and scientifically robust,” said WADA President, Sir Craig Reedie.

“The addition of meldonium to the Prohibited List created an unprecedented situation and therefore, during a transitional period, it warranted additional guidance for those in the anti-doping community tasked with managing cases,” said Oliver Niggli, Director General. “We place full trust in the ability of our Stakeholders to manage meldonium cases effectively, and will be on hand to assist them as necessary.”

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...ding-meldonium

[juggernaut666]

I think people just don't understand the reality of professional sport today, and the role pharmaceuticals play in it. To give up legal means of improving your endurance/performance/health would be to place yourself in a disadvantaged position voluntarily.

Not only that it wouldn't matter really.The ones who twist things around on here despite actually facts handed to them seem to be mainly wilder fans and their reaoning....well there is none other than hes a cheat. lol

[JRB123]

Updated WADA statement,

... This updated guidance confirms that from 1 March (and up until 30 September) 2016, cases with a low concentration of meldonium found in an athlete’s sample (less than 1 μg /mL) are compatible with a no fault finding.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...ding-meldonium

Whoa hold up, bruh...so if that is the case, and it was put in place during January-April, then the burden is now on Wilder's team and just them...

Ooh dayum they could be screwed

[Ray*]

It says in the article we discuss here that the WBC will offer Wilder and his team to present their side of things and a meeting is due to be held. This probably means they have yet to make a decision regarding the further outcome of the fight and will take what team Wilder says into their consideration. Sounds like a fair shake to me. Isn't really about excusing a fighter or not, WADA have made statements, the WBC are evaluating, etc. and we can await their call. Bottom line so far is Povetkin is in fact not a drug cheat and this is the official ruling too, regardless of popular opinion.

If he isn't a drug cheat why didn't we see the fight again? What statement have WADA or the WBC made in regards to the Povetkin case? Seen a lot of people posting article trying to exonerate Povetkin before the WBC have even made their own judgement, people like yourself are already pointing finger at Wilder which I find really weird.

Again if the man didn't fail a drug test we would NOT be here talking about it today... Only a drug cheat fails a drug test.... FACT.

Once the proper authorities have exonerate him NOT posters then we can all move forward, but for me I would always refer to him as a drug cheat, anyone that took that drug without a heart problem IS a drug cheat in my book.


Zero excuses.

[Weltschmerz]

If he isn't a drug cheat why didn't we see the fight again? What statement have WADA or the WBC made in regards to the Povetkin case? Seen a lot of people posting article trying to exonerate Povetkin before the WBC have even made their own judgement, people like yourself are already pointing finger at Wilder which I find really weird.

Again if the man didn't fail a drug test we would NOT be here talking about it today... Only a drug cheat fails a drug test.... FACT.

Once the proper authorities have exonerate him NOT posters then we can all move forward, but for me I would always refer to him as a drug cheat, anyone that took that drug without a heart problem IS a drug cheat in my book.


Zero excuses.

Well Povetkin isn't as blatant a drugs cheat as so many others in the history of this sport, you would be well aware. His case is ambiguous in its nature and it has been well covered as such during the course of events. It looks like he could be altogether cleared, meaning the fight should go through and this time around on definite even terms.

But if you want to talk technicalities about Povetkin being a drug cheat, the 70 nanograms found in his system would have made zero difference in the fight itself. Get real.

[JRB123]

But if you want to talk technicalities about Povetkin being a drug cheat, the 70 nanograms found in his system would have made zero difference in the fight itself. Get real.

...and that is where it gets cloudy...Weltschmerz posted what WADA stated on the matter, so with that known it was up to Wilder to go forward with the fight or not. They not only postponed the fight but flat out cancelled it and then went forward with a voluntary defense.

If WADA stands by this, then Povetkin is not at fault

[Sugarhitman]

Again....Povetkin's case isnt how much was in his system...his case is how it showed up after passing his first three tests....WADA states the mere presence of Meldonium in a person's system constitutes a violation of the rules....The temporary toleration for low levels of Meldonium are for those who failed their initial tests not those who fail in between testing as that would contradicts WADAs policy and show a toleration for microdosing.

Povetkin will need to prove that VADAs testing were at fault or Meldonium can go undetected and then to detected.

This is probably why Wilder is allowed to present his case as VADA also hinted in its report that Povetkin consumed the drug during the testing period evidenced by his first negative tests.


So good luck to Povetkin....hes going to need it.

[Shadoww702]

...and that is where it gets cloudy...Weltschmerz posted what WADA stated on the matter, so with that known it was up to Wilder to go forward with the fight or not. They not only postponed the fight but flat out cancelled it and then went forward with a voluntary defense.

If WADA stands by this, then Povetkin is not at fault

And Wilder isn't at fault either. He went off what VADA told him. If I'm told you failed a DRUG test when I was gonna hire you. You CAN'T sue me for not HIRING you. Even IF your CLEAN!!! You might be able to sue the Dr. Office. But doubt it...I'm sure they have sht ton of lawyer talk saying they are not responsible for blah, blah, abnormal, inaccurate results, etc. ,etc...Probably blame the equipment. or a NEW intern.

[observer]

Povetkin will need to prove that VADAs testing were at fault or Meldonium can go undetected and then to detected.

How about this as a theory? Suppose small amounts of Meldonium are stored in fat tissue and only released when you lose weight? So if you are not losing weight you are fine, and if you lose weight you immediately test dirty?

This is the last I am going to comment on this (at least in this thread). Please understand that nothing is absolute in biology. All tests have detection limits. And Meldonium excretion profile was not studied before. So stop shouting "a cheat is a cheat is a cheat". Wilder stopped, and so should you.

[JAB5239]

Already last year, before the meldonium debacle, he unjustifiably accused Povetkin of being on steroids:



http://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/201...-heavyweights/

It's only fair he would be demanded to finally explain himself properly, especially given his recent continuation of this type of rhetoric,



http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...kin-a-whipping

I didn't realise Wilder had accused him of juicing before. But my question would be why a defamation lawsuit now, but not then? It makes little sense to do it now that the fight will most likely be enforced.