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Originally posted by 1g5a22 View PostExactly how many 'titlists' did Hopkins, Martinez & Hagler beat in 35 fights?
You paraded this '3 TITLISTS' figure around as derogatory towards Golovkin so lets compare him to MW's of yore to get a sense of perspective.. Without comparison nothing has meaning. You have no problem comparing him to SMW Ward so lets compare him to the great fighters of his own division over recent years.
Waiting..
Hopkins fought in a crappy era too....was no where near anyones p4p list in 1997...he was 3-1 and only lost to Roy Jones. He defeated John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, and Lupe Aquino
Hagler didnt get a title shot until his 50th fight....he was avoided like people say GGG is....he also wasnt being hyped or paraded around like the most feared, killer, are top 3 p4p...that was in the 70s man, stay up to date...boxing was alot different then...only had the wba, and wbc....ibf came later in his career. All of his big fights came as champion
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Postthurman fought in one division so your point....keep it current bro...he still has faced more titlists and champions and is no where near anyone's p4p....let alone top 3
Hopkins fought in a crappy era too....was no where near anyones p4p list in 1997...he was 3-1 and only lost to Roy Jones. He defeated John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, and Lupe Aquino
Hagler didnt get a title shot until his 50th fight....he was avoided like people say GGG is....he also wasnt being hyped or paraded around like the most feared, killer, are top 3 p4p...that was in the 70s man, stay up to date...boxing was alot different then...only had the wba, and wbc....ibf came later in his career. All of his big fights came as champion
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Come on.. You paraded this '3 TITLISTS' figure around as derogatory towards Golovkin so lets compare him to MW's of yore to get a sense of perspective.. Without comparison nothing has meaning. You have no problem comparing him to SMW Ward so lets compare him to the great fighters of his own division over recent years.
Thurman? I never mentioned him. Please stick to MW.
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Originally posted by 1g5a22 View PostExactly how many 'titlists' did Hopkins, Martinez & Hagler beat in 35 fights?
Come on.. You paraded this '3 TITLISTS' figure around as derogatory towards Golovkin so lets compare him to MW's of yore to get a sense of perspective.. Without comparison nothing has meaning. You have no problem comparing him to SMW Ward so lets compare him to the great fighters of his own division over recent years.
Thurman? I never mentioned him. Please stick to MW.
you didnt ask about martinez...you added him
Hopkins was 3-1 by fight 35
Hagler was at 0....if you think GGG was ducked, then you should have followed Haglers career...he didnt get a title shot until his 50th fight
Martinez fought none by fight 35...he didnt break through and fight world class guys on the regular until he was 40 fights in, he started boxing late
My point is NONE of these guys were in anyone's p4p list, was NOT being billed as a monster. When they were, they had earned it. GGG has not yet. If you are anointed or billed as p4p it has to have been proven in the ring and expectations are higher than the average fringe contender....deal with it.
Danny Garcia fought in one division A LONG TIME look at his resume, so has thurman, so has kovalev, so has ward @ 168...all these guys have fought more champions, titlists than this so called monster. Bradley has too
compare him to his contemporaries...his resume does not indicate p4p status
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post
Hopkins was 3-1 by fight 35
Hagler was at 0....
Martinez fought none by fight 35...
You're the one digressing & using ridiculous terms like 'monster' not me son (or any sane GGG fan I correspond with).. As for p4p worthiness again that is a separate point to deflect what I was pushing you on. You lost this one LOL
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post
you didnt ask about martinez...you added him
Hopkins was 3-1 by fight 35
Hagler was at 0....if you think GGG was ducked, then you should have followed Haglers career...he didnt get a title shot until his 50th fight
Martinez fought none by fight 35...he didnt break through and fight world class guys on the regular until he was 40 fights in, he started boxing late
My point is NONE of these guys were in anyone's p4p list, was NOT being billed as a monster. When they were, they had earned it. GGG has not yet. If you are anointed or billed as p4p it has to have been proven in the ring and expectations are higher than the average fringe contender....deal with it.
Danny Garcia fought in one division A LONG TIME look at his resume, so has thurman, so has kovalev, so has ward @ 168...all these guys have fought more champions, titlists than this so called monster. Bradley has too
compare him to his contemporaries...his resume does not indicate p4p status
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Originally posted by ramses07 View Posthe'd have to move up in weight, beat kovalev, and ward. and maybe get a cruiserweight belt
If [WHEN] Ward beats Kovalev, Bumlovkin beating Ward @ 175 gets his name in the conversation. Not sure it would put him past Floyd but at least there would be an argument..
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Originally posted by The Big Dunn View PostHagler also wasn't taking step aside money whilst complaining about not getting fights.
He got screwed in his first title fight and then gets cans, booze, and shoes threw at him winning it in the other guys backyard
He didnt become a fighter people wanted to face until he became champion
He came up the hard way, no olympic pedigree, no network contract.
People knew he was avoided but he wasnt a top 3 p4p guy either when his resume was thin.
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