Has there ever been a P4P entrant who has fought the worst opposition for 4 years?

[soul_survivor]

GGG in his entire career has not beaten anyone worth a damn man..IN HIS ENTIRE ****ING CAREER....he has won 1 damn belt in the ring and got 2 vacant titles..miss me with that son..stop slamming a man who was the underdog in a tournament... and dominated compared to a man who has done nothing..WARD IS SIGNED TO FIGHT KOVALEV AND YOU ARE B1TCHING,,STFU

You're skirting the question and getting extremely angry. Just answer the question, who in the history of the sport has stayed on a p4p list for a period of 4 years and not faced a single world title holder in that time, former, current or future? His best win is against a prospect whose best win is Cleverlys 3rd best win.

It's a simple enough question, you can answer it or concede that you don't know.

At least RedFoxx had the shame to leave the thread.

[soul_survivor]

P4P lists are a joke. They have been for years.

Agreed...when we have broner and Guerrero finding their way on.

Do you have an answer to his question though?

He doesn't.

Dude he fought a ton of top 10 contenders in that stretch, almost all of them. Lots of guys that have won belts. It's not even close

Spot on.

You have the right to be on a p4p list for winning something 5 years ago. It's not socket rience

LOL I didn't know this untile I came on NSB.

I already answered I said no...obvious question but really this whole thread stems from the fact as others posted you are a GGG fan and hate Ward for checking him.

If you can find me being overly fanboyish about GGG, please post it here. I've called him out for crap fights but he has beaten the best available middleweights when given the opportunity, 2 top guys openly turned him down and he has annihilated his opponents (the eye test), which shows he deserves to be on the current p4p.

So that's your issue...

What are you???

Don't be ashamed...I bet you're of Pa.kistani origin.

If you have a problem with Black guys please take that Brother off your siggy...at least be consistent.

I never said anything about black people that was wrong. Like I said, most of his fans are either black, American or both. I'm not wrong. It's the same way I call out Latinos and eastern euros for only backing their fighters, even when it's plain ******.

So grow a pair and stop playing the victim.

[DJ_Quaaludes]

Amateur pedigree has nothing to do with professional rankings in any way.

The second part, fighting someone like Paul Smith, who was fat, out of shape and extremely undersized for the division should have ended in an early KO. Groves looked better against him, so that shows us Ward has lost a step or 2, especially with his subsequent performance against Barrera.

I agree, there is theoretically little chance of anyone at 175 beating Ward, apart from the usual suspects of Kov and Stevenson. But we don't base any sport or anything in life on what may happen. Right now, Ward HAS to beat Kov to be back p4p and that's the way he it should be. I think he does and if he proves me right, I have no problem in inserting him top 5.

The RJJ argument can go on for months but even at his worse, he was fighting better opponents than Brand, Smith and Barrera.

I disagree that amateur pedigree has nothing to do with professional P4P rankings. I think while professional accomplishment is the initial and by far more important aspect, the fact that guys like Ward/Lomachenko/Golovkin are such storied amateurs lends credence to the mindset that they are 'that good'.

If amateurs meant nothing in P4P lists, Lomachenko shouldn't be anywhere near even touching P4P lists, but he is in many's top 10. As a professional Lomachenko hasn't really beaten anybody to suggest he should be P4P.

And therein lies the problem in P4P lists, there is no real determination of how one becomes P4P. You seem to stress in ring professional accomplishments in the form of wins over highly touted fighters. I agree that should be a major aspect, but also think that the eye test plays a part in it. If the number of fighters you'd be willing to bet even money or favor over a certain fighter are extremely limited (1 or 2), that basically says that 'someone' you think pretty highly of.

There can be a lot of uncertainty as to just how good that fighter may actually be, but the fact remains for one reason or another you pick them to beat most others. Again this is a difference though, as I'm looking at P4P as 'how good do we THINK a fighter is' and you are looking at as 'how good do we KNOW a fighter is'. Neither way of thinking is wrong.

[BattlingNelson]

Yeah I don't understand how people can rank Ward this high. It's been 5 years since he fought a guy with a pulse and he has had a major surgery. How can people in their right mind claim that he is a p4p'er of the highest caliber still?

[therealpugilist]

Like Andre Ward? Even Mayweather wasn't as bad or when broner magically appeared on the list, he had better recent opposition at the time.

ward's last 4 years have been prospect level opposition.

Personally I would not have him anywhere near a p4p top 10 but I know many of you would so which other p4p entrant, over a span of 4 years, fought bums?

has their ever been a top 3 p4p with a worse CAREER resume than GGG

we know your agenda....you complaining about a dudes resume who had injuries and litigation. Well documented as well

your trollling technique is pure azz

[therealpugilist]

]Probably not however you will not put money against him with the bookies - unless hes fighting Kovalev or some other P4P fighter lol.[/B]..why is a guy who is not suppose to be a P4P fighter getting at least even money with the casinos? in most instances hes going in the favorite against Kovalev.

Kov is the only one he'd favor over him at 175

[therealpugilist]

GGG in his entire career has not beaten anyone worth a damn man..IN HIS ENTIRE ****ING CAREER....he has won 1 damn belt in the ring and got 2 vacant titles..miss me with that son..stop slamming a man who was the underdog in a tournament... and dominated compared to a man who has done nothing..WARD IS SIGNED TO FIGHT KOVALEV AND YOU ARE B1TCHING,,STFU

he is just butthurt people question his favorite fighters resume...tough tittie

dude is almost middle aged with guys intheir 20s taking more risks with better resumes

[therealpugilist]

out of those 3 belts he only won 1 in the ring..stop it..you cant slam Ward and praise GGG who hasnt beaten anyone worth a damn in his entire ****ing career

preach, tabernacle...end thread.....Soul survivor just got

[therealpugilist]

You have the right to be on a p4p list for winning something 5 years ago. It's not socket rience

scooby..is that you ....kmsl

[Hype job]

Patting yourself on the back and pretending you're more knowledgeable isn't fooling anyone. We've all seen your posts around here.

I don't have time to chase you around with these shifting arguments anymore but I'll correct one thing. I said GGG's opposition is equal based on the level of talent. I specifically pointed out that it's not a ranking thing because 160 is a joke. Yes, Smith, Murrary, Lemieux, Brand, Wade are all garbage. Ward fights garbage to tune-up and acclimate to a new division. Golovkin does it when he's facing the best fighters he's ever fought.