Has there ever been a P4P entrant who has fought the worst opposition for 4 years?

[Redd Foxx]

How about you answer how Paul Smith, Barrera and that latin fool from 2013 are better than macklin, murray, geale, lem, stevens, heck even ishida and proksa...and how not having any title wins is better than having 3 of the available 4?

Don't worry, my thread updates will let me know when you answer, so take your time. Ask some friends, go on boxrec, you know, the usual noob stuff.

Once again, you didn't address anything I said. I'm not going to chase you as you bounce from topic to topic in a desperate effort to sound right. How about trying to stick to the point and if you can't, just let it go.

[soul_survivor]

Settle down, you're getting angry because you dug yourself a hole here. No, his comp has not been better and GG is the one who is the belt holder. I don't blame GGG for 160 being shallow on talent, but when someone tries to pretend that those cans are something special because they are the best of their division, that's when I gotta throw the flag down.

When you say GG has only been there half the time, you only defeat yourself. Ward actually beat real opposition some time back and hasn't lost since then. Those older fights shouldn't get the same credit as they did 4 years ago but you can't conveniently ignore them either because he proved he can dominate legit comp, Golovkin's pinnacle is martin Murrary, who himself never beat anyone mentionable.

What hole are you going to crawl back into when Ward beat Kovalev??

So you are saying that Smith and Barrera are better than GGG beating title holders a nd legitimate challengers and not only that but doing so in a very dominant fashion?

I just want you to confirm that for me. Because I guarantee if I was to do a poll as to which fighters are better, you know who'd win, so I'm just making sure you know what you're getting yourself into.

remember, Groves took SMith out in 2 and DeGale clowned SMith for 9, all the while Smith was at his best weight and in his prime and DeGale and Groves were still working towards world level, let alone p4p. I'm even helping you out here because I don't think you know who Paul Smith is.

[1hourRun]

Can you read, I just said Golovkin faced better opp and you didn't reply to that because you know that's the truth and GGG hasn't been a p4p entrant as long.

So again, has there ever been a fighter who has managed to stay on the p4p list of idiots like you for 4 years with worse opposition fought? Not only that, many still label him p4p no. 1.



Look, I'm not denying Wards skill, although he is a level below what he was in 2011-12, especially the way he looked against Smith and Barrera. I'm just saying, p4p isn't just saying "oh yeah fighter A is so skilled, mythically he'd beat so and so". At some point, that guy has to prove his worth. Ward has not done so in nearly half a decade.

I agree that we can measure a fighters talent by the goals they set and accomplish but you know there is a limit to every Boxer and when they reach it we demand more from them that's beyond reasonable standards and might underestimate them -- but I don't think this is the case with Ward.. its his second division and still fresh given the long breaks he had ; It might have helped or hurt him ...we will soon find out.

[soul_survivor]

I agree that we can measure a fighters talent by the goals they set and accomplish but you know there is a limit to every Boxer and when they reach it we demand more from them that's beyond reasonable standards and might underestimate them -- but I don't think this is the case with Ward.. its his second division and still fresh given the long breaks he had ; It might have helped or hurt him ...we will soon find out.

Yeah, we don't know what state Ward is in physically or mentally but we're talking about opponents faced, not potential physical well being.

[Redd Foxx]

So you are saying that Smith and Barrera are better than GGG beating title holders a nd legitimate challengers and not only that but doing so in a very dominant fashion?

I just want you to confirm that for me. Because I guarantee if I was to do a poll as to which fighters are better, you know who'd win, so I'm just making sure you know what you're getting yourself into.

remember, Groves took SMith out in 2 and DeGale clowned SMith for 9, all the while Smith was at his best weight and in his prime and DeGale and Groves were still working towards world level, let alone p4p. I'm even helping you out here because I don't think you know who Paul Smith is.

Patting yourself on the back and pretending you're more knowledgeable isn't fooling anyone. We've all seen your posts around here.

I don't have time to chase you around with these shifting arguments anymore but I'll correct one thing. I said GGG's opposition is equal based on the level of talent. I specifically pointed out that it's not a ranking thing because 160 is a joke. Yes, Smith, Murrary, Lemieux, Brand, Wade are all garbage. Ward fights garbage to tune-up and acclimate to a new division. Golovkin does it when he's facing the best fighters he's ever fought.

[soul_survivor]

Patting yourself on the back and pretending you're more knowledgeable isn't fooling anyone. We've all seen your posts around here.

I don't have time to chase you around with these shifting arguments anymore but I'll correct one thing. I said GGG's opposition is equal based on the level of talent. I specifically pointed out that it's not a ranking thing because 160 is a joke. Yes, Smith, Murrary, Lemieux, Brand, Wade are all garbage. Ward fights garbage to tune-up and acclimate to a new division. Golovkin does it when he's facing the best fighters he's ever fought.

You're exact words: " No, his comp has not been better and GG is the one who is the belt holder."

Now you're back tracking and trying to stretch to the point that SMith is on par with Murray who had terrifically close fights with Sturm and Martinez, Macklin who should have been WBA champ, Geale who beat 2 Germans in Germany and Lem who was a legitimate belt holder in his division with genuine power.

You're not chasing anything around because you still haven't answered the original question.

This is embarrassing, I had to tell you who Paul Smith was to such an extent you changed your argument.

Do you want me to take this to a poll? You will be further embarrassed.

[1hourRun]

Yeah, we don't know what state Ward is in physically or mentally but we're talking about opponents faced, not potential physical well being.

Oh ok I was confused by the fact you stated the obvious, yes Wards opponent have ****** and ???? whats there to debate?

[Larry the boss]

dude you're a GGG fan

[Larry the boss]

GGG in the last 4 years has fought former title holder Geale, current holder Lem and men who arguably beat Sturm, Murray and Macklin. And in the last 4 years of his career, he has not only accumulated 3 of the 4 available title belts, he has annihilated his opponents.

Try again.

Edit: Plus, GGG has only been a p4p entrant for less than half the time Ward has been.

out of those 3 belts he only won 1 in the ring..stop it..you cant slam Ward and praise GGG who hasnt beaten anyone worth a damn in his entire ****ing career

[soul_survivor]

dude you're a GGG fan

Oh ok I was confused by the fact you stated the obvious, yes Wards opponent have ****** and ???? whats there to debate?

So he is a p4p quality opponent for most on this forum...well most black guys anyway. So I'm asking a simple question, has anyone else, who has been a p4p entrant for a 4 years, fought such a low level of opposition? No one has yet answered me.