Has there ever been a P4P entrant who has fought the worst opposition for 4 years?

[BOXEO _]

P4P lists are a joke. They have been for years.

[Larry the boss]

But are his opponents worse than Ward?

I've never seen a fighter stay actively on p4p lists, especially at number one, for 4 years and not fight a single top level opponents. I'm not asking him to fight atgs, just good opponents.

his best win is Barrera...and he went 12 with him.

GGG has not only fought better opponents but showed he is far above them. That's all a top fighter ,especially one who is considered p4p can do.

BTW, dunno why you labeling me a GGG fan has to do with anything. I have routinely called him out for fighting the likes of Wade or NSB favourite a couple years back, Stevens. People were talking about it like some titanic match up between 2 power punchers. I was one of the few who called bull**** on that fight.

however, the fact that most of you defending Ward can only bring up GGG says something about your mentality.

GGG in his entire career has not beaten anyone worth a damn man..IN HIS ENTIRE ****ING CAREER....he has won 1 damn belt in the ring and got 2 vacant titles..miss me with that son..stop slamming a man who was the underdog in a tournament... and dominated compared to a man who has done nothing..WARD IS SIGNED TO FIGHT KOVALEV AND YOU ARE B1TCHING,,STFU

[Kigali]

Funny how the root of most unreasonable criticism really comes down to racial BS.



Pretty sad if true because whether they like it or not Ward is half white.

They stay shook.....

[Kigali]

GGG in his entire career has not beaten anyone worth a damn man..IN HIS ENTIRE ****ING CAREER....he has won 1 damn belt in the ring and got 2 vacant titles..miss me with that son..stop slamming a man who was the underdog in a tournament... and dominated compared to a man who has done nothing..WARD IS SIGNED TO FIGHT KOVALEV AND YOU ARE B1TCHING,,STFU

They should raise the bar for GGG like they would if he were American.

[b00g13man]

What a shit**** the OP is.

[HeroBando]

Yes...

Roy from after the toney fight till woods or gonzalez.. 95-00 roy had some horrible opponents

Dude he fought a ton of top 10 contenders in that stretch, almost all of them. Lots of guys that have won belts. It's not even close

[HeroBando]

What a shit**** the OP is.

Do you have an answer to his question though?

[Kagami Taiga]

Do you have an answer to his question though?

It's a p4p list. Ward is one if the best fighters in the world and it really isn't based solely on one criteria or another otherqiaw, Golovkin wouldn't be nearly as high as he is now because his resume is pure garbage.move on and stop fangirling. It's embarassing.

[krazyn8tive]

You have the right to be on a p4p list for winning something 5 years ago. It's not socket rience

[soul_survivor]

I have to disagree with your sentiment that Ward shouldn't be 'anywhere near' the top 10 pound for pound.

In Ward's case, it's true he is still riding on the goodwill he gained winning the super six, as well as his destruction of Chad Dawson. Combine this with his amateur pedigree and....

While it's true that he hasn't fought anybody of note in nearly four years, P4P rankings are about as subjective as they get in boxing. Also keep in mind that most respected sources do not have Ward as No. 1 P4P, and they haven't for quite some time. When you have the past resume that Ward has, even if you are fighting outside contender types, you're allowed to still be on the lists because nothing in his recent performances has suggested he isn't the fighter that he was in the Super Six/Chad fights.

Now that isn't to say that much can be gained for those recent performances, he's done what he was expected to do against that level of opposition.

I personally like to think of P4P lists as who would have the most favorable odds on average in fights near or around their weight class against various opponents. From this perspective, Ward is most definitely 'deserving' of being on P4P lists. Besides Kovalev, who at 168-175 would you currently pick to beat Ward?

I think someone mentioned RJJ as another example of this type of ranking, and while I don't fully recall the ins and outs of his P4P timeline, I do know he went through stretches of fighting no-hopers and was still highly thought of.

Amateur pedigree has nothing to do with professional rankings in any way.

The second part, fighting someone like Paul Smith, who was fat, out of shape and extremely undersized for the division should have ended in an early KO. Groves looked better against him, so that shows us Ward has lost a step or 2, especially with his subsequent performance against Barrera.

I agree, there is theoretically little chance of anyone at 175 beating Ward, apart from the usual suspects of Kov and Stevenson. But we don't base any sport or anything in life on what may happen. Right now, Ward HAS to beat Kov to be back p4p and that's the way he it should be. I think he does and if he proves me right, I have no problem in inserting him top 5.

The RJJ argument can go on for months but even at his worse, he was fighting better opponents than Brand, Smith and Barrera.