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  • Code Red
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    #51
    Originally posted by Deevel916
    I think it has more to do with Arum not wanting Crawford to get beat by Manny while manny is on his way out of the sport. He needs his next cash cow. Or else why wouldn't arum stage a ppv between the 2 and cash manny out if he felt crawford could beat him?
    How can losing to Manny hurt his career? Aren't some of you the same that say Alvarez losing to Floyd doesn't hurt his career cause he loss to the best? If Pac is as good as you say he is then how does losing to him hurt or stall your career? Only if Crawford is the favorite going into that fight would it hurt him to lose to Pacquiao! Othewise its a win, win, Manny beats a big name and Crawford gets his biggest payday.

    It seems to me that Manny losing, getting spanked by Crawford would cause the greatest harm to your heart!

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      #52
      Originally posted by Code Red
      How can losing to Manny hurt his career? Aren't some of you the same that say Alvarez losing to Floyd doesn't hurt his career cause he loss to the best? If Pac is as good as you say he is then how does losing to him hurt or stall your career? Only if Crawford is the favorite going into that fight would it hurt him to lose to Pacquiao! Othewise its a win, win, Manny beats a big name and Crawford gets his biggest payday.

      It seems to me that Manny losing, getting spanked by Crawford would cause the greatest harm to your heart!
      it depends on how he loses. canelo took no damage in the floyd fight.

      crawford being game and wants to prove a point, that might put himself more at risk. bob puts manny and crawford in, pac beats crawford, pac goes back into retirement, now what is arum gonna do?

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        #53
        Originally posted by Code Red
        How can losing to Manny hurt his career? Aren't some of you the same that say Alvarez losing to Floyd doesn't hurt his career cause he loss to the best? If Pac is as good as you say he is then how does losing to him hurt or stall your career? Only if Crawford is the favorite going into that fight would it hurt him to lose to Pacquiao! Othewise its a win, win, Manny beats a big name and Crawford gets his biggest payday.

        It seems to me that Manny losing, getting spanked by Crawford would cause the greatest harm to your heart!
        Crawford's actually the favorite? I think even if Crawford loses it elevates him to a higher level. He just would need to strike while the irons hot and rebound greatly. Algieri had his chance with Spence and Khan and blew it

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        • bobd9842
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          #54
          Originally posted by JQside
          Doe, you completely took it the wrong way. Crawford is the protected fighter. Arum gave him cab drivers after another. Matthysse vs Crawford could have been the far bigger fight than Postol vs Matthysse. Arum gave him Jean and Lundy instead. Roach wanted Crawford. Did Arum listen? No.

          Man you need to watch Crawford's fights. He's super hittable, got plenty of holes in his defense. Start with Dierry Jean. Youtube is your friend. You can play with your imagination and pretend Pac was Dierry in that fight. Then you can watch Gamboa next and so forth.
          Crawford doesn't get hit any more or less than most others out there. And even then, it's usually early...and in case you haven't noticed...after he gets hit, he rages back and then doesn't get hit too often afterward. Super hittable? No. Deliberate starter...yes. In the case of Gamboa...he got hit early because of Gamboa's speed as the smaller fighter...and got rocked a little bit late in the fight because he admittedly got a little sloppy and let his guard down. Thing is...he can afford to get hit a little early because he's got a great chin. Over all though...he doesn't get hit much. The narrative by many on this site is that Crawford is over rated. All I'm saying is that it is not necessarily so. The opinion on who is protecting who's fighter is different where ever you go. I can assure you that it certainly isn't Crawford's wish to duck anyone. As a matter of fact...the dude is totally frustrated himself, by the politics of the sport. Like all good boxers...he wants to fight any and every potential challenger. If you think otherwise...you just don't know boxers.

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          • Deevel916
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            #55
            Originally posted by Code Red
            How can losing to Manny hurt his career? Aren't some of you the same that say Alvarez losing to Floyd doesn't hurt his career cause he loss to the best? If Pac is as good as you say he is then how does losing to him hurt or stall your career? Only if Crawford is the favorite going into that fight would it hurt him to lose to Pacquiao! Othewise its a win, win, Manny beats a big name and Crawford gets his biggest payday.

            It seems to me that Manny losing, getting spanked by Crawford would cause the greatest harm to your heart!
            A loss hurts Crawfords career because crawford is yet to become the star that Manny was or that Canelo was at the time that he lost to Floyd.

            Unless Crawford loses in an all out action packed war with Pac, he rise will take a hit. If Pac steamrolls him, his rise will take a hit. If he beats Pac it'll be a good win but at the same time he will receive less credit for beating a faded semi -retired Pac.

            Me personally I'd love to see this fight! I currently have it 50/50 or 60/40 in favor of Pac.

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              #56
              Originally posted by bobd9842
              Seriously? Postol is your litmus test for Crawford's legitimacy? Well you heard it first here folks. If Crawford beats Postol...you all have Turnedup's permission to root for Crawford. Wait a minute...is Postol Crawford's litmus test, or is Turnedup's opinion Crawford's litmus test? Damn...now I'm confused.
              He's a start, he's facing a fighter not smaller than him with a pulse. Crawford just weighed in at 154 on his latest weigh-in for his fight. Crawford much like Danny Garcia has benefited from melting the hell down. If that's too complicated for some I apologize but this is boxing, there are many variables involved and this sport doesn't exactly the brightest of sports fans

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              • Code Red
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                #57
                Originally posted by Deevel916
                A loss hurts Crawfords career because crawford is yet to become the star that Manny was or that Canelo was at the time that he lost to Floyd.

                Unless Crawford loses in an all out action packed war with Pac, he rise will take a hit. If Pac steamrolls him, his rise will take a hit. If he beats Pac it'll be a good win but at the same time he will receive less credit for beating a faded semi -retired Pac.

                Me personally I'd love to see this fight! I currently have it 50/50 or 60/40 in favor of Pac.
                Why do and why would you think Pac could beat Crawford at all?!! According to this board Pac is old, past prime, one arm , one shoulder, every excuse in the world was listed when he loss to Floyd...so if that is the case, if Pac is that decrepit then how is he going to beat Crawford in his prime if he couldn't beat a 38 year old Mayweather!!

                I say Arum should make a Pac-Crawford fight, what are you all scared of!!

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Code Red
                  Why do and why would you think Pac could beat Crawford at all?!! According to this board Pac is old, past prime, one arm , one shoulder, every excuse in the world was listed when he loss to Floyd...so if that is the case, if Pac is that decrepit then how is he going to beat Crawford in his prime if he couldn't beat a 38 year old Mayweather!!

                  I say Arum should make a Pac-Crawford fight, what are you all scared of!!
                  most posters that post those things do so only to take credit away from Floyd beating Manny. Take Floyd out of the equation. none of them think Manny is too past it to beat Crawford.

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                  • Code Red
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                    most posters that post those things do so only to take credit away from Floyd beating Manny. Take Floyd out of the equation. none of them think Manny is too past it to beat Crawford.
                    or that he is to past it to beat Broner, Garcia, Khan, or Thurman and Brook even...only when Floyd is in the picture do I hear Manny is past it blah blah, etc etc,...

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by turnedup
                      He's a start, he's facing a fighter not smaller than him with a pulse. Crawford just weighed in at 154 on his latest weigh-in for his fight. Crawford much like Danny Garcia has benefited from melting the hell down. If that's too complicated for some I apologize but this is boxing, there are many variables involved and this sport doesn't exactly the brightest of sports fans
                      Ok...I just don't understand why you are so negative on a guy that fights whom ever is put in front of him...(and puts on a damn good show to boot, every time) And yes...once he moved up at the last minute to fight Breidiss Prescott and beat him, he became HBO's darling. Maybe that's who you hate? I dunno. Point is...he's a fighter in his prime that has been brought up properly in a way to maximize his success...and now the progression continues. If you are upset over the hype thrown his way...fine. You can express that without tearing the boy down like you seem to want. Tim Bradley knows Crawfords skills. So does Danny Garcia & many others. He may get his ass handed to him by Postol, but maybe you could save your judgement of him until AFTER the fight. And at the very least...give the kid a break. As far as his weight is concerned...most every fighter's walking around weight is 10 to 15 lbs higher. Does he need to move up? Of course he does. He will end up at 154#...maybe higher. Personally; I think his team has been very smart in how they have brought him along, and all we can do now is wait and see how far he goes. It's frikkin ****** for a fighter (Kell Brook) risking a move upward to fight someone like GGG. The risk reward ratio is too high. These guys only have a certain amount of time to maximize their earning potentials. That is a very "unbalanced" approach. Anyway...don't sell Crawford's ability and desire short...if he had his way (like most young boxers) he would fight Andre Ward if they put him in front of him. The young man is very "game". That "gameness" is the best thing about Crawford. I've watched him since he was a young amateur...he's got the "it" factor without the loud personality. Suffice it to say, I think he is going to win and you don't. This too...is part of what makes the sport so much fun. Peace to you.

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