Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: Canelo Fight Needs No Warming Up, It's Boiling!

[torosboxing75]

I can't believe GGG's permoter was ****** enough to allow GB to convince him this fight needed marinating. All their doing is stalling to see if GGG gets old or shows some kind of weakness. Truth is if GGG wasn't at 160 Canelo would be there right now.

[boxingitis]

despite all that bull**** you said, canelo still got the better resume and took more risks in his career than golovkin. when canelo fights little g, he will have done what little g refused to do. move up in weight and fight the best guy there. we talkin about a guy who came up with every excuse in the book to avoid andre ward....but I know....lets not talk about that. this is boxing scene. where ********** get no love. but yes....when the fight happens. canelo will EXPOSE golovkin for the overhyped fraud he is.

When is Canelo going to get in the ring with GGG? When GGG is 40? If they get in the ring this Sept props to Canelo, but he will get KTFO. If Canelo has a better Resume why is he waiting to get in the ring with GGG?

[ChiCityExtractz]

How has GGG not taken risks? Lol he shouldnt have to move up in weight to prove anything. Hes beating literally everyone one class north and is willing to fight the same dude HE fought at 154 lol . Why does he have to fight ward, a man who just moved up himself, stop it lol. Fight him canelo lol before a charlo brother beats u lol

[Brakus]

yeah, moving from 154 to 155 is a huge leap of faith. Will we see Saul transition from 155 to 156 is 2017?

Haha brilliant! Couldn't have said this any better-- Canelo's rep took a major hit and that's all on him

[aboutfkntime]

BoxingScene.com's Steve Kim first reported that a middleweight showdown between Gennady Golovkin and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez was going to be pushed back to the fall of 2017. Fans were hoping to see them battle this coming September. Earlier this year, the World Boxing Council ordered Canelo (47-1-1, 33KOs) to face Golovkin (35-0, 32KOs), the mandatory challenger, in the fall.
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you are an absolute ****** Sanchez

the fight was not " hurt " by Canelo's decision to vacate, you fkn tool.....

it was hurt by your preference to strong-arm him, and by your attempts to manipulate him using the WBC..... rather than being reasonable, negotiating, and backing up this horse****..... Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/15398?var=no

foolio SMH

[Boxing Logic]

I've been a huge GGG supporter and this is obviously Canelo's fault first and foremost, just like it's been Quillen and Danny Jacobs' fault for also ducking him.

But wouldn't you know, today Tom Loeffler, GGG's promoter, was playing the role of apologist for Canelo, saying they'd prefer the fight now, but that Canelo wanted to build it for the fall and that was fine.

As much as everyone has ducked him, Tom Loeffler has also shown zero urgency to get top opponents in the ring. He clearly does not care about GGG's legacy, and is more than happy to see him keep getting good paydays against no-hopers, building his name, which he knows he will be able to cash in on eventually in a super fight vs Canelo. If it comes when GGG is 40 years old and he loses, Tom Loeffler could not care less, because he will stay get the payday, and that's what matters to him.

So while I definitely can never support Canelo, Quillen, Danny Jacobs, or any of the other duckers who ducked GGG, I can't really support GGG anymore either. I will still watch his fights and root for him the fighter because he's an exciting talent and a likable guy, but in terms of the GGG train at large and his legacy, what is there to root for anymore? Nothing. They are marinating the fight that, besides the money, was supposed to be a stepping stone. He was supposed to get Canelo last year so he could get all the belts and move up to 168 while he was still in his prime and actually forge a legacy.

Now he's going to be 35 by the time he fights Canelo, and 36 by the time he moves up to 168, where he will get beat once he faces a top guy because punchers rely on incredible strength and athleticism to impose their will on elusive fighters over 12 rounds who have the advantages of speed and holding. Just like Tyson, GGG will not be the same GGG anymore for long. Tom Loeffler, in caring more about $ than anything else, was more than happy to let the rest of boxing run out the clock on GGG's prime, and now they have. I rooted for GGG because I thought he would be a true great and that we would see him in amazing, historically relevant fights where he would surprise everyone and come through against fighters like Ward. Now I know we will never see any of them, so we will never know. If he ever does fight someone of the caliber of Ward, it won't be until he's 36 or 37 years old, and he will either win in a dud or lose, very much like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

GGG was supposed to be the guy that moved boxing forward after the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco. He wasn't supposed to be a repeat of it. Just because he might get Canelo in time before his prime runs out doesn't matter. Loeffler does not get it, Canelo is not a historically significant fight. He was supposed to be a stepping stone, a name, nothing more, a step towards bigger things. Instead they are trying to make him into the historically significant fight, make him into GGG's end goal, when everyone knows GGG will beat him easy unless he gets old. So what's the point? I want to watch fights that determine who the best is, not whether a fighter is old or not. I already know prime GGG is better than prime Canelo so again what is the point?

They were supposed to get this fight over with. A big money, action fight, but a mismatch. Instead they are milking it like it's the fight we actually want to see. They are taking years out of GGG's legacy time to milk a fight that will do nothing for his legacy. So what's to root for?

I am sick of Tom Loeffler wasting this fighter's career. I held out hope until the end that he would finally step on the gas, but now we're there, the end. GGG is 34. It's not even fall 2016, and they are talking about fall 2017. A few months ago people were apologizing for them saying give them until May 2017 before you get upset, even though it wasn't even May 2016 at that time. Now it's past May 2016, but not even fall 2016, and they are saying fall 2017. I'm sick of the bull****. Enough. I can't support this anymore. This doesn't mean GGG haters were right, because if they'd actually blamed Quillen and Danny Jacobs and pressured those fights into happening, we might not be here. But those fighters were black so they got a free pass. But one thing is definitely true, Loeffler shows no urgency and now the chickens have come home to roost. Year after year passed with no urgency, and here we are, GGG still isn't going to get his big fight until he's 35, and that big fight is not even a legacy fight.

Maybe Loeffler will get him legacy fights at 36 lol? 37? Except by that point he will be old, so they won't be legacy fights anymore, they will be old GGG fights, not the performances we wanted to see. Which means the way it's all laid out, Loeffler has now put it in stone that GGG will go his whole career without any legacy fights. It's a damn shame for a fighter of his caliber and we will always ask what could have been. I believe he has the talent of an all time great, and I've been waiting ever since the Proksa fight for Loeffler to get him an opponent where he could show it. Now I know that will never happen during his prime, so I'm moving on. Boxing disappoints once again. I will keep watching for the entertainment, while skipping the PPVs, but from a career legacy standpoint, I now know GGG's career is over before Loeffler even got it started. A damn shame, and another example of a promoter who does not care about his fighter or the sport, just money. Loeffler will go down as the promoter who wasted the entire prime of one of boxing's most talented fighters, and never gave him a chance to show how good he was.

[kafkod]

despite all that bull**** you said, canelo still got the better resume and took more risks in his career than golovkin. when canelo fights little g, he will have done what little g refused to do. move up in weight and fight the best guy there. we talkin about a guy who came up with every excuse in the book to avoid andre ward....but I know....lets not talk about that. this is boxing scene. where ********** get no love. but yes....when the fight happens. canelo will EXPOSE golovkin for the overhyped fraud he is.

Nobody will risk fighting Golovkin. Ward ran away to pretend to fight Kovalev and now Canelo runs away and starves himself back down to SWW.

[kafkod]

I've been a huge GGG supporter and this is obviously Canelo's fault first and foremost, just like it's been Quillen and Danny Jacobs' fault for also ducking him.

But wouldn't you know, today Tom Loeffler, GGG's promoter, was playing the role of apologist for Canelo, saying they'd prefer the fight now, but that Canelo wanted to build it for the fall and that was fine.

As much as everyone has ducked him, Tom Loeffler has also shown zero urgency to get top opponents in the ring. He clearly does not care about GGG's legacy, and is more than happy to see him keep getting good paydays against no-hopers, building his name, which he knows he will be able to cash in on eventually in a super fight vs Canelo. If it comes when GGG is 40 years old and he loses, Tom Loeffler could not care less, because he will stay get the payday, and that's what matters to him.

So while I definitely can never support Canelo, Quillen, Danny Jacobs, or any of the other duckers who ducked GGG, I can't really support GGG anymore either. I will still watch his fights and root for him the fighter because he's an exciting talent and a likable guy, but in terms of the GGG train at large and his legacy, what is there to root for anymore? Nothing. They are marinating the fight that, besides the money, was supposed to be a stepping stone. He was supposed to get Canelo last year so he could get all the belts and move up to 168 while he was still in his prime and actually forge a legacy.

Now he's going to be 35 by the time he fights Canelo, and 36 by the time he moves up to 168, where he will get beat once he faces a top guy because punchers rely on incredible strength and athleticism to impose their will on elusive fighters over 12 rounds who have the advantages of speed and holding. Just like Tyson, GGG will not be the same GGG anymore for long. Tom Loeffler, in caring more about $ than anything else, was more than happy to let the rest of boxing run out the clock on GGG's prime, and now they have. I rooted for GGG because I thought he would be a true great and that we would see him in amazing, historically relevant fights where he would surprise everyone and come through against fighters like Ward. Now I know we will never see any of them, so we will never know. If he ever does fight someone of the caliber of Ward, it won't be until he's 36 or 37 years old, and he will either win in a dud or lose, very much like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

GGG was supposed to be the guy that moved boxing forward after the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco. He wasn't supposed to be a repeat of it. Just because he might get Canelo in time before his prime runs out doesn't matter. Loeffler does not get it, Canelo is not a historically significant fight. He was supposed to be a stepping stone, a name, nothing more, a step towards bigger things. Instead they are trying to make him into the historically significant fight, make him into GGG's end goal, when everyone knows GGG will beat him easy unless he gets old. So what's the point? I want to watch fights that determine who the best is, not whether a fighter is old or not. I already know prime GGG is better than prime Canelo so again what is the point?

They were supposed to get this fight over with. A big money, action fight, but a mismatch. Instead they are milking it like it's the fight we actually want to see. They are taking years out of GGG's legacy time to milk a fight that will do nothing for his legacy. So what's to root for?

I am sick of Tom Loeffler wasting this fighter's career. I held out hope until the end that he would finally step on the gas, but now we're there, the end. GGG is 34. It's not even fall 2016, and they are talking about fall 2017. A few months ago people were apologizing for them saying give them until May 2017 before you get upset, even though it wasn't even May 2016 at that time. Now it's past May 2016, but not even fall 2016, and they are saying fall 2017. I'm sick of the bull****. Enough. I can't support this anymore. This doesn't mean GGG haters were right, because if they'd actually blamed Quillen and Danny Jacobs and pressured those fights into happening, we might not be here. But those fighters were black so they got a free pass. But one thing is definitely true, Loeffler shows no urgency and now the chickens have come home to roost. Year after year passed with no urgency, and here we are, GGG still isn't going to get his big fight until he's 35, and that big fight is not even a legacy fight.

Maybe Loeffler will get him legacy fights at 36 lol? 37? Except by that point he will be old, so they won't be legacy fights anymore, they will be old GGG fights, not the performances we wanted to see. Which means the way it's all laid out, Loeffler has now put it in stone that GGG will go his whole career without any legacy fights. It's a damn shame for a fighter of his caliber and we will always ask what could have been. I believe he has the talent of an all time great, and I've been waiting ever since the Proksa fight for Loeffler to get him an opponent where he could show it. Now I know that will never happen during his prime, so I'm moving on. Boxing disappoints once again. I will keep watching for the entertainment, while skipping the PPVs, but from a career legacy standpoint, I now know GGG's career is over before Loeffler even got it started. A damn shame, and another example of a promoter who does not care about his fighter or the sport, just money. Loeffler will go down as the promoter who wasted the entire prime of one of boxing's most talented fighters, and never gave him a chance to show how good he was.

If Canelo - or Oscar - don't want the fight this year then Loeffler has no alternative but to accept that this is the way things are and work on making GGG's hand as strong as possible when Canelo eventually decides to fight him, which is what he seems to be doing now.

[Cinci Champ]

I can't believe GGG's permoter was ****** enough to allow GB to convince him this fight needed marinating. All their doing is stalling to see if GGG gets old or shows some kind of weakness. Truth is if GGG wasn't at 160 Canelo would be there right now.

i dont think he needed any convincing if u haven noticed yet loughler is full of **** being a ggg fan doesnt make that not true

[Bronx2245]

So now what does GGG do? Does he sit at 160, or move up? Is Eubank Jr. a better fighter than Lara? Please don't say that "it's better fight financially," because that's a "business move" and we all have been told that GGG is not "business man."