Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: Canelo Fight Needs No Warming Up, It's Boiling!

[Ray*]

Agreed, it already boiled over.

[Can'tHoldMeBack]

I've been a huge GGG supporter and this is obviously Canelo's fault first and foremost, just like it's been Quillen and Danny Jacobs' fault for also ducking him.

But wouldn't you know, today Tom Loeffler, GGG's promoter, was playing the role of apologist for Canelo, saying they'd prefer the fight now, but that Canelo wanted to build it for the fall and that was fine.

As much as everyone has ducked him, Tom Loeffler has also shown zero urgency to get top opponents in the ring. He clearly does not care about GGG's legacy, and is more than happy to see him keep getting good paydays against no-hopers, building his name, which he knows he will be able to cash in on eventually in a super fight vs Canelo. If it comes when GGG is 40 years old and he loses, Tom Loeffler could not care less, because he will stay get the payday, and that's what matters to him.

So while I definitely can never support Canelo, Quillen, Danny Jacobs, or any of the other duckers who ducked GGG, I can't really support GGG anymore either. I will still watch his fights and root for him the fighter because he's an exciting talent and a likable guy, but in terms of the GGG train at large and his legacy, what is there to root for anymore? Nothing. They are marinating the fight that, besides the money, was supposed to be a stepping stone. He was supposed to get Canelo last year so he could get all the belts and move up to 168 while he was still in his prime and actually forge a legacy.

Now he's going to be 35 by the time he fights Canelo, and 36 by the time he moves up to 168, where he will get beat once he faces a top guy because punchers rely on incredible strength and athleticism to impose their will on elusive fighters over 12 rounds who have the advantages of speed and holding. Just like Tyson, GGG will not be the same GGG anymore for long. Tom Loeffler, in caring more about $ than anything else, was more than happy to let the rest of boxing run out the clock on GGG's prime, and now they have. I rooted for GGG because I thought he would be a true great and that we would see him in amazing, historically relevant fights where he would surprise everyone and come through against fighters like Ward. Now I know we will never see any of them, so we will never know. If he ever does fight someone of the caliber of Ward, it won't be until he's 36 or 37 years old, and he will either win in a dud or lose, very much like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

GGG was supposed to be the guy that moved boxing forward after the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco. He wasn't supposed to be a repeat of it. Just because he might get Canelo in time before his prime runs out doesn't matter. Loeffler does not get it, Canelo is not a historically significant fight. He was supposed to be a stepping stone, a name, nothing more, a step towards bigger things. Instead they are trying to make him into the historically significant fight, make him into GGG's end goal, when everyone knows GGG will beat him easy unless he gets old. So what's the point? I want to watch fights that determine who the best is, not whether a fighter is old or not. I already know prime GGG is better than prime Canelo so again what is the point?

They were supposed to get this fight over with. A big money, action fight, but a mismatch. Instead they are milking it like it's the fight we actually want to see. They are taking years out of GGG's legacy time to milk a fight that will do nothing for his legacy. So what's to root for?

I am sick of Tom Loeffler wasting this fighter's career. I held out hope until the end that he would finally step on the gas, but now we're there, the end. GGG is 34. It's not even fall 2016, and they are talking about fall 2017. A few months ago people were apologizing for them saying give them until May 2017 before you get upset, even though it wasn't even May 2016 at that time. Now it's past May 2016, but not even fall 2016, and they are saying fall 2017. I'm sick of the bull****. Enough. I can't support this anymore. This doesn't mean GGG haters were right, because if they'd actually blamed Quillen and Danny Jacobs and pressured those fights into happening, we might not be here. But those fighters were black so they got a free pass. But one thing is definitely true, Loeffler shows no urgency and now the chickens have come home to roost. Year after year passed with no urgency, and here we are, GGG still isn't going to get his big fight until he's 35, and that big fight is not even a legacy fight.

Maybe Loeffler will get him legacy fights at 36 lol? 37? Except by that point he will be old, so they won't be legacy fights anymore, they will be old GGG fights, not the performances we wanted to see. Which means the way it's all laid out, Loeffler has now put it in stone that GGG will go his whole career without any legacy fights. It's a damn shame for a fighter of his caliber and we will always ask what could have been. I believe he has the talent of an all time great, and I've been waiting ever since the Proksa fight for Loeffler to get him an opponent where he could show it. Now I know that will never happen during his prime, so I'm moving on. Boxing disappoints once again. I will keep watching for the entertainment, while skipping the PPVs, but from a career legacy standpoint, I now know GGG's career is over before Loeffler even got it started. A damn shame, and another example of a promoter who does not care about his fighter or the sport, just money. Loeffler will go down as the promoter who wasted the entire prime of one of boxing's most talented fighters, and never gave him a chance to show how good he was.

Good post mr Kim do it in comment section so you cw still get them interviews brilliant move

[Ray*]

I can't believe GGG's permoter was ****** enough to allow GB to convince him this fight needed marinating. All their doing is stalling to see if GGG gets old or shows some kind of weakness. Truth is if GGG wasn't at 160 Canelo would be there right now.

What can he do? The belt was dropped. So Canelo/GBP have zero obligation towards Team GGG. His promoter can't offer GBP/Canelo a fight. It has to be from GBP.

[Ray*]

I've been a huge GGG supporter and this is obviously Canelo's fault first and foremost, just like it's been Quillen and Danny Jacobs' fault for also ducking him.

But wouldn't you know, today Tom Loeffler, GGG's promoter, was playing the role of apologist for Canelo, saying they'd prefer the fight now, but that Canelo wanted to build it for the fall and that was fine.

As much as everyone has ducked him, Tom Loeffler has also shown zero urgency to get top opponents in the ring. He clearly does not care about GGG's legacy, and is more than happy to see him keep getting good paydays against no-hopers, building his name, which he knows he will be able to cash in on eventually in a super fight vs Canelo. If it comes when GGG is 40 years old and he loses, Tom Loeffler could not care less, because he will stay get the payday, and that's what matters to him.

So while I definitely can never support Canelo, Quillen, Danny Jacobs, or any of the other duckers who ducked GGG, I can't really support GGG anymore either. I will still watch his fights and root for him the fighter because he's an exciting talent and a likable guy, but in terms of the GGG train at large and his legacy, what is there to root for anymore? Nothing. They are marinating the fight that, besides the money, was supposed to be a stepping stone. He was supposed to get Canelo last year so he could get all the belts and move up to 168 while he was still in his prime and actually forge a legacy.

Now he's going to be 35 by the time he fights Canelo, and 36 by the time he moves up to 168, where he will get beat once he faces a top guy because punchers rely on incredible strength and athleticism to impose their will on elusive fighters over 12 rounds who have the advantages of speed and holding. Just like Tyson, GGG will not be the same GGG anymore for long. Tom Loeffler, in caring more about $ than anything else, was more than happy to let the rest of boxing run out the clock on GGG's prime, and now they have. I rooted for GGG because I thought he would be a true great and that we would see him in amazing, historically relevant fights where he would surprise everyone and come through against fighters like Ward. Now I know we will never see any of them, so we will never know. If he ever does fight someone of the caliber of Ward, it won't be until he's 36 or 37 years old, and he will either win in a dud or lose, very much like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

GGG was supposed to be the guy that moved boxing forward after the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco. He wasn't supposed to be a repeat of it. Just because he might get Canelo in time before his prime runs out doesn't matter. Loeffler does not get it, Canelo is not a historically significant fight. He was supposed to be a stepping stone, a name, nothing more, a step towards bigger things. Instead they are trying to make him into the historically significant fight, make him into GGG's end goal, when everyone knows GGG will beat him easy unless he gets old. So what's the point? I want to watch fights that determine who the best is, not whether a fighter is old or not. I already know prime GGG is better than prime Canelo so again what is the point?

They were supposed to get this fight over with. A big money, action fight, but a mismatch. Instead they are milking it like it's the fight we actually want to see. They are taking years out of GGG's legacy time to milk a fight that will do nothing for his legacy. So what's to root for?

I am sick of Tom Loeffler wasting this fighter's career. I held out hope until the end that he would finally step on the gas, but now we're there, the end. GGG is 34. It's not even fall 2016, and they are talking about fall 2017. A few months ago people were apologizing for them saying give them until May 2017 before you get upset, even though it wasn't even May 2016 at that time. Now it's past May 2016, but not even fall 2016, and they are saying fall 2017. I'm sick of the bull****. Enough. I can't support this anymore. This doesn't mean GGG haters were right, because if they'd actually blamed Quillen and Danny Jacobs and pressured those fights into happening, we might not be here. But those fighters were black so they got a free pass. But one thing is definitely true, Loeffler shows no urgency and now the chickens have come home to roost. Year after year passed with no urgency, and here we are, GGG still isn't going to get his big fight until he's 35, and that big fight is not even a legacy fight.

Maybe Loeffler will get him legacy fights at 36 lol? 37? Except by that point he will be old, so they won't be legacy fights anymore, they will be old GGG fights, not the performances we wanted to see. Which means the way it's all laid out, Loeffler has now put it in stone that GGG will go his whole career without any legacy fights. It's a damn shame for a fighter of his caliber and we will always ask what could have been. I believe he has the talent of an all time great, and I've been waiting ever since the Proksa fight for Loeffler to get him an opponent where he could show it. Now I know that will never happen during his prime, so I'm moving on. Boxing disappoints once again. I will keep watching for the entertainment, while skipping the PPVs, but from a career legacy standpoint, I now know GGG's career is over before Loeffler even got it started. A damn shame, and another example of a promoter who does not care about his fighter or the sport, just money. Loeffler will go down as the promoter who wasted the entire prime of one of boxing's most talented fighters, and never gave him a chance to show how good he was.

Thank you Steve kim, definitely agree with you here. Hope you actually print this out for the boxing world to read.

[Bronx2245]

I've been a huge GGG supporter and this is obviously Canelo's fault first and foremost, just like it's been Quillen and Danny Jacobs' fault for also ducking him.

But wouldn't you know, today Tom Loeffler, GGG's promoter, was playing the role of apologist for Canelo, saying they'd prefer the fight now, but that Canelo wanted to build it for the fall and that was fine.

As much as everyone has ducked him, Tom Loeffler has also shown zero urgency to get top opponents in the ring. He clearly does not care about GGG's legacy, and is more than happy to see him keep getting good paydays against no-hopers, building his name, which he knows he will be able to cash in on eventually in a super fight vs Canelo. If it comes when GGG is 40 years old and he loses, Tom Loeffler could not care less, because he will stay get the payday, and that's what matters to him.

So while I definitely can never support Canelo, Quillen, Danny Jacobs, or any of the other duckers who ducked GGG, I can't really support GGG anymore either. I will still watch his fights and root for him the fighter because he's an exciting talent and a likable guy, but in terms of the GGG train at large and his legacy, what is there to root for anymore? Nothing. They are marinating the fight that, besides the money, was supposed to be a stepping stone. He was supposed to get Canelo last year so he could get all the belts and move up to 168 while he was still in his prime and actually forge a legacy.

Now he's going to be 35 by the time he fights Canelo, and 36 by the time he moves up to 168, where he will get beat once he faces a top guy because punchers rely on incredible strength and athleticism to impose their will on elusive fighters over 12 rounds who have the advantages of speed and holding. Just like Tyson, GGG will not be the same GGG anymore for long. Tom Loeffler, in caring more about $ than anything else, was more than happy to let the rest of boxing run out the clock on GGG's prime, and now they have. I rooted for GGG because I thought he would be a true great and that we would see him in amazing, historically relevant fights where he would surprise everyone and come through against fighters like Ward. Now I know we will never see any of them, so we will never know. If he ever does fight someone of the caliber of Ward, it won't be until he's 36 or 37 years old, and he will either win in a dud or lose, very much like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

GGG was supposed to be the guy that moved boxing forward after the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco. He wasn't supposed to be a repeat of it. Just because he might get Canelo in time before his prime runs out doesn't matter. Loeffler does not get it, Canelo is not a historically significant fight. He was supposed to be a stepping stone, a name, nothing more, a step towards bigger things. Instead they are trying to make him into the historically significant fight, make him into GGG's end goal, when everyone knows GGG will beat him easy unless he gets old. So what's the point? I want to watch fights that determine who the best is, not whether a fighter is old or not. I already know prime GGG is better than prime Canelo so again what is the point?

They were supposed to get this fight over with. A big money, action fight, but a mismatch. Instead they are milking it like it's the fight we actually want to see. They are taking years out of GGG's legacy time to milk a fight that will do nothing for his legacy. So what's to root for?

I am sick of Tom Loeffler wasting this fighter's career. I held out hope until the end that he would finally step on the gas, but now we're there, the end. GGG is 34. It's not even fall 2016, and they are talking about fall 2017. A few months ago people were apologizing for them saying give them until May 2017 before you get upset, even though it wasn't even May 2016 at that time. Now it's past May 2016, but not even fall 2016, and they are saying fall 2017. I'm sick of the bull****. Enough. I can't support this anymore. This doesn't mean GGG haters were right, because if they'd actually blamed Quillen and Danny Jacobs and pressured those fights into happening, we might not be here. But those fighters were black so they got a free pass. But one thing is definitely true, Loeffler shows no urgency and now the chickens have come home to roost. Year after year passed with no urgency, and here we are, GGG still isn't going to get his big fight until he's 35, and that big fight is not even a legacy fight.

Maybe Loeffler will get him legacy fights at 36 lol? 37? Except by that point he will be old, so they won't be legacy fights anymore, they will be old GGG fights, not the performances we wanted to see. Which means the way it's all laid out, Loeffler has now put it in stone that GGG will go his whole career without any legacy fights. It's a damn shame for a fighter of his caliber and we will always ask what could have been. I believe he has the talent of an all time great, and I've been waiting ever since the Proksa fight for Loeffler to get him an opponent where he could show it. Now I know that will never happen during his prime, so I'm moving on. Boxing disappoints once again. I will keep watching for the entertainment, while skipping the PPVs, but from a career legacy standpoint, I now know GGG's career is over before Loeffler even got it started. A damn shame, and another example of a promoter who does not care about his fighter or the sport, just money. Loeffler will go down as the promoter who wasted the entire prime of one of boxing's most talented fighters, and never gave him a chance to show how good he was.

K2 has done a horrible job of making fights and public relations. "Anybody from 154-168," "Ward is irrelevant," "Ward @ 164, but Chavez Jr. @ 168," "GGG is NOT a business man," etc. I think GGG would be better off with Arum or Haymon! K2 could fix this with the next fight...Erislandy Lara! It would be less lucrative because Lara has less fans, but it would be the best fighter that GGG has faced thus far! Either Lara or a title shot @ 168, would do the trick! Eubank Jr. is NOT getting it done!

[Bronx2245]

This is a pretty good article! Here's a taste:

Kovalev vs. Ward is the Best that Boxing has to Offer
By Frank Lotierzo
June 21, 2016

"As a result of the letdown fans suffered after the Mayweather-Pacquiao waltz, they hitched their hopes on believing that a showdown between the universally acknowledged best 160 pound fighter in the world, Gennady Golovkin 35-0 (32), and the new biggest star in boxing Saul "Canelo" Alvarez 47-1-1 (33), would be everything that Mayweather-Pacquiao wasn't. Maybe a meeting between Golovkin and Alvarez would be all that, but I wholeheartedly believe the case favoring GGG over Canelo is overwhelming. In fact it's really hard to find a path to victory for Canelo. So in my view, other than seeing the names Golovkin and Alvarez paired together on a billboard, I just don't see where them fighting is such a big deal.

For a fight to be big and loaded with anticipation, especially if neither fighter is a superstar or major personality, it needs the element of intrigue as far as who is going to win or who should be favored. And that's what Kovaklev-Ward has in abundance. So much so that it's almost most impossible to give one a decided advantage over the other...

Their names on the marquee don't have the sizzle that a mantle with Mayweather or Alvarez across it would have, but Kovalev vs. Ward is the best fight between two unbeaten world class fighters that boxing has to offer, and I defy anyone to pronounce that one should be a predominant favorite over the other.

Regarding Golovkin vs. Alvarez, I ask how can a fight be so big and anticipated when virtually everyone agrees who the winner will be? That's what the case would be if Golovkin fought Alvarez, but this certainly won’t be the situation when Kovalev and Ward finally touch gloves. It won't be hard finding someone to bet against without giving odds when they meet."

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/22399-kovalev-vs-ward-is-the-best-that-boxing-has-to-offer

[Jubei]

So many ******ed butthurt illogical comments here, this is making me sick.

These people think that Tom can force Canelo into that ring.

These people say GGG should move up to 168 even though there is no big fight there anytime soon.

These people do not realize that GGG was an unknown fighter from Kazakhstan just a couple years ago, some random belt holder nobody cared about and now is a top P4P fighter and one of the biggest ticket sellers in boxing and the most active and exciting and fan friendly fighter in the sport.

[Jubei]

jadajada]

Yeah GGG is by far the best around his weight class, so by him being a big favorite over a proven Top 10 P4P fighter with a great resume just shows you what kind of an elite fighter GGG is.

You surely want to put that against GGG right?

[Pain~Lucy]

I just hope someone throw a rotten egg on candelas face

[Boxing Logic]

Good post mr Kim do it in comment section so you cw still get them interviews brilliant move

Are you daft? Kim is a huge Tom Loeffler supporter. I just accused him of wasting a potential hall of fame career, something no boxing promoter can ever make up for. He will go down in boxing history as a failure who contributed to the decline of boxing. How is that anything like what Steve Kim says about Loeffler?

It's almost... like... you didn't... read... my comment...... before you... commented..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... almost.......