Comments Thread For: Fonfara-Smith PBC on NBC Sees Increase With 1.32M Rating

[Tago Nang Tago]

Great point! The media doesn't care about boxing unless it's Mayweather. This tweet right here sums it up

@AMacWitCheese @eaner0919 The Twitter boxing media is the last thing on anyone's mind here.

— Jonathan Snowden (@JESnowden) May 18, 2016

even if mayweather got **** and piss thrown at him it wouldn't really be a big issue in the sports world.

[bigdunny1]

1000 tickets @$300, 1000 tickets @$150, 1000 tickets at $100, 1000 tickets @$50, and 1000 tickets @$25 gets you to $625,000 in ticket revenue, and there's no way that Staples Center seats 1,000 people ringside.

On 500 ringside seats, you're looking at $475,000 in ticket revenue based on the ticket scheme, with another $40,000 in ticket revenue to make up.

If Staples Center is like any other basketball stadium, 8k of the 18k-seat capacity is like in the upper bowl/balcony anyway.

You trying too hard there is no math where you can make 500k and sell anywhere close to 10k seats at the ticket prices they sold. Its impossible. What do you think the avg ticket price sold was? I gave you the price tier breakdown. Balcony was 25-50. Lower tier was 100-300. this ain't rocket science. You give me the avg and I'll show you the math that proves they didn't sell anywhere close to the attendance figure. Give it up numerous media outlets reported how they were giving mass amounts of tickets away for free and la times low live gate figure proves it.

There was even a report that PBC hired an audience casting firm, 1iota, to fill seats for their fights. With live gates like this you can see why. LMAO

http://1iota.com

[Motorcity Cobra]

You are content with Spence vs bundu when haymon could have Spence vs garcia, Thurman, porter, khan, ect? Bundu ain't on nobody's top 10 ww lists and what need do you have for a mandatory fight to go after a non haymon welterweight champ when haymon owns 2 of the welterweight belts right now and most of the top fighters? That's my point he could of did away with the politics and belt organization bs. But he didnt.

And a fighter like fonfara should never headline any cards let alone a major card on NBC. Not when you have the names haymon has. Haymon could of generated more fans and flipped boxing on its ear instead he squander hundreds of million and nobody but a few hard core boxing fans care about pbc it's become irrelevant and a dumpster fire. PBC own investors are suing because they lost their money. When fans speak of PBC its mostly to criticse it. So yes it's been a big fat disappointment.

Spence vs Bundu sets up Spence vs Brook/Vargas. Thurman is fighting Porter and the winner fights the winner of Garcia/Berto/or Khan if he wants to step up. Garcia just won the WBC his last fight. So he has two unification bouts set up. Garcia/Berto/Khan vs the winner of Thurman/Porter. Then Spence vs the winner of Brook/Vargas. If everything goes well we could be looking at a welterweight unification late next year. Which isn't bad considering the earliest Spence would get the belt is March 2017.

Why shouldn't Fonfara headline a card? The plan was for him to fight Stevenson again or Alvarez or Williams. Whomever came out of that combo victorious. So the point is to get Fonfara exposure. It was a good fight with a KO. Decent ratings. And exposure for Fonfara and Joe Smith Jr. That rematch could headline another card and get better ratings. We had three exciting fights, two ended in KO's. How is that bad for the sport of boxing? You're expecting them to act as a monopoly, which is illegal. He just fought Arum in court over the Sherman Act and fighting Golden Boy in court over the Sherman act. You want Haymon/PBC to break the law to satisfy your vision for the company. You have to realize. Most people have no idea what you're talking about when you speak of belts and the politics of boxing. All they know is they turn on their TV and there's two guys fighting and one just got KTFO!

You're actually complaining about a product you get for free. A free product that is exposing more people to the sport. If there was no PBC what would you have watched last night? If we had to rely on HBO and Showtime we wouldn't even see Fonfara on TV. Top Rank, Golden Boy, RNS, and Main Events have prospects that can't even get a televised spot on undercards. Zurdo is the WBC 168 champ and nobody knows who he is. HBO has no spots lined up for him. He fought on a poor selling Pacquiao card and he's about to fight on a poor selling Crawford-Postol card. When HBO doesn't have a spot for the 168lb WBC champion, that's a problem. Arum is already talking about moving Lomanchenko to PPV. I think you're focusing your hate at the wrong people. The product you're paying for is delivering you a worse product than the one you're getting for free.

[Scipio2009]

nbc, spike, bounce and cbs have all cut back the amount of cards from last year. just do the math. easy to do and then you can also read about the purses and see how much less is being paid by the non showtime cards

PBC's Year 1 went from March 7, 2015-March 7 2016.

The schedule in Yr 2 may have started off slower than last year, but come March 7, 2017, the actual show counts, on NBC/SpikeTV/Bounce/CBS, will likely match Yr 1.

ESPN was slow on their schedule start, but they've now got four shows locked down through the end of July. The schedule is filling in.

In Year 2, PBC (not counting the shows on Showtime) already has 20 shows on the calendar through the end of July. In Year 1, PBC put on 49 shows (not counting the shows on Showtime). August through March 2017; 8 months to put on another 30 shows.

do the math.

[bigdunny1]

This is how you get attendance where half the people got free tickets. Hahaha

https://m.facebook.com/1iota/posts/10153183641739349

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674396

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670845

https://m.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/340s10/pbc_using_1iota_for_khan_v_algieri_fight/

[Scipio2009]

The 12k number is BS no other way to say it. Rival promoters, media, and even fans have spoken about all the free tickets they are giving away and the live gate LA times reported with the actual figures proves it. The math don't work you can't sell tickets in the price ranges they sell and make only 500k unless the you are giving away more the half for free. Even if the avg ticket was 50 which is literally impossible unless you only sell the balcony if you did 12k that's 600k in live gate. Dude there is a reason they hide the live gate figures from the associated press.

Talking about competitors crying about the number of free tickets being put out, and trying to say that PBC literally gave away 70% of the events tickets are two different conversations.

Garcia-Guerrero did not sell 12k tickets; 12k were likely in the building, but not everyone paid a ticket.

Garcia-Guerrero sold significantly more than the 5k tickets that you continue to insist on.

[bigdunny1]

Isn't PBC supposed to be better then HBO or showtime? They had hundreds of millions, and army of fighters and tons of network airtime where they had sole power in the fights being mad? So why not give a better product? Why compare it to HBO when hbo doesnt have that many fighters, dates or resources to work with. Haymon did and could of but he didn't and that's only one of the major reasons PBC has failed. No need for Spence vs bundu if haymon just made his best fight each other. Rather promises that mostly never come to fruition. Lowering the bar to pretend PBC hasn't been an utter disappointment. Just because some of these cards are free don't mean we should be content with garbage.

And what's hard to understand that when you have a stable as large and with literally 50 or more better fighters you shouldn't have any major cards headlined by fonfara. The reason for it is PBC burned through too much money and now has to scale back and these are the type of fighters leading these cards to limit the amount PBC is losing each time they put on an event.

[bigdunny1]

Talking about competitors crying about the number of free tickets being put out, and trying to say that PBC literally gave away 70% of the events tickets are two different conversations.

Garcia-Guerrero did not sell 12k tickets; 12k were likely in the building, but not everyone paid a ticket.

Garcia-Guerrero sold significantly more than the 5k tickets that you continue to insist on.

So what was the avg ticket price sold? Don't dodge the question. I already showed you links and reports of PBC hiring a audience casting agency. You use that when you looking to fill mass amount of seats totally consistent with the attendance figure that is bogus based on such a low live gate.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Isn't PBC supposed to be better then HBO or showtime? They had hundreds of millions, and army of fighters and tons of network airtime where they had sole power in the fights being mad? So why not give a better product? Why compare it to HBO when hbo doesnt have that many fighters, dates or resources to work with. Haymon did and could of but he didn't and that's only one of the major reasons PBC has failed. No need for Spence vs bundu if haymon just made his best fight each other. Rather promises that mostly never come to fruition. Lowering the bar to pretend PBC hasn't been an utter disappointment. Just because some of these cards are free don't mean we should be content with garbage.

And what's hard to understand that when you have a stable as large and with literally 50 or more better fighters you shouldn't have any major cards headlined by fonfara. The reason for it is PBC burned through too much money and now has to scale back and these are the type of fighters leading these cards to limit the amount PBC is losing each time they put on an event.

PBC has nowhere near the amount of money as Time Warner (HBO) or CBS (Showtime)

You keep complaining about Fonfara headlining an NBC card but why? Only because YOU wanted something different. One thing you have to realize, I keep saying it over and over again, PBC is catering to the casual fan. The casual fan doesn't know the difference between a WBC/WBO/WBA/ABC/LMNOP/, all they know is they tuned in and saw two men fighting and one got KO'd. Then they found out the handsome white guy is a blue collar construction worker who got a shot and won. People make movies with that plot line. Boxing cannot survive catering to the likes of you and I. Casual fans don't have the time, nor do they care, to follow the politics of boxing. PBC can't survive trying to please the likes of you and other hardcore boxing fans. In order for the sport to grow it needs casual fans that will eventually turn into a fanbase.

Once again, look at the fight last night thru the eyes of a casual spectator. Turn on the TV and see guys fighting. They saw KO's and they heard a story of a blue collar kid who got his shot and won. He's from Long Island so now a nice write up in on newsday (it was on the frontpage of their sports section this morning), and had a write up on him in the NYPost, two major NY newspapers. Hardcore boxing fans had an opportunity to show their support and it was only 150,000. You aren't their target audience because they know there is so little boxing on TV you'll watch it anyway.

[Scipio2009]

You trying too hard there is no math where you can make 500k and sell anywhere close to 10k seats at the ticket prices they sold. Its impossible. What do you think the avg ticket price sold was? I gave you the price tier breakdown. Balcony was 25-50. Lower tier was 100-300. this ain't rocket science. You give me the avg and I'll show you the math that proves they didn't sell anywhere close to the attendance figure. Give it up numerous media outlets reported how they were giving mass amounts of tickets away for free and la times low live gate figure proves it.

There was even a report that PBC hired an audience casting firm, 1iota, to fill seats for their fights. With live gates like this you can see why. LMAO

http://1iota.com

Most of the tickets sold were likely in the balcony/back of the lower level, as is the case with most fights.

For the price of 1 ringside seat, you can buy 12 seats in the balcony.

With 12k people in the building (no one is dis*****g that number), the issue comes down to placing the tickets that were purchased.

I don't think Garcia-Guerrero sold 1000 ringside seats @$300 (I doubt that the fight was even staged with 1000 ringside seats). If you believe that to be the case, so be it.

I think that well more than 1000 tickets were sold at the $25 and $50 level, possibly more than 1000 of the $100 tickets were sold, and unsure of how many $150 tickets were sold.

With the balcony seats having 1/12th the impact on revenue of the ringside seats, the tickets sold count will inherently be beyond your stuck-to 5k count, if my inference is right (more SoCal families came out buying 4-seat packages in the balcony versus the LA couples that got dressed up to have two seats at ringside).