Comments Thread For: Fonfara-Smith PBC on NBC Sees Increase With 1.32M Rating

[Scipio2009]

The ticket prices are exactly what UFC prices for non ppv and when they sell 10k tickets they gross 1mil in live gates so how the phuk you gross half the amount and have attendance of 12k? They sold around 5k tickets. Look up comps in boxing and ufc. Ggg grossed 2m in his fight with lemieux and that's with 20k in attendance with comparable ticket prices. Again the numbers don't add up from the attendance and it's why ggg announced their live gate and why ufc as a routine announce their live gate because they actually sell tickets not just give away half of the tickets for free. For the Garcia fight numerous outlets reported that they were giving away free tickets in hotels, barbershops, and at the arena which has been an on going theme for pbc events.

The Staples Center is still configured in its own way, separate from other venues. Talking about UFC tickets price "exactly" with no mention of actual UFC events at Staples Center leaves you open to look foolish.

The UFC has run events at the Staples Center before:

-Rousey-Zingano (~$2.7m on 16,500 tickets priced $600-$50; http://www.venuestoday.com/news/deta...-march-11-2015 ),

-Shogun-Vera in 2012 ($1.1m on 16,000 tickets, pricing unknown; http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/live-gate-attendance/ )

-Machida-Shogun in 2009 ($1.9m on ~14,900, pricing unknown and the information unsourced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_104)

-Hughes-Gracie ($2.9m on just short of 10,500 tickets solde, pricing unknown and information unsourced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_60)

Using the information direct from the source you want to talk up, without knowing the breakdown of what tickets actual sold (ringside versus nosebleeds), you start off the numbers at ~6200 tickets sold [took the Staples Center number from Rousey-Zingano, cut the ticket prices to match the $300-$25, found the revenue per ticket, and then figured the tickets needed to get up to the stated live gate for Garcia-Guerrero).

No one is saying that 12k was an all the way legit sold figure, but don't make yourself look ****** with some nonsense statement about Garcia-Guerrero having 60% of the tickets handed out for free.

[bigdunny1]

a product that isn't ran by a black person (not my thinking, but his from the sounds of it)

I'm black you ******** idiot. Why would I have a problem with haymon being black? If he put on better fights I would have no problem with PBC.

[Tago Nang Tago]

I'm black you ******** idiot.

[Motorcity Cobra]

PBC was supposed to fix the problems in boxing and create a UFC like league for boxing where the best fight the best and putting on meaningful top fights on free tv. This weekend we got fonfara vs smith for Christ sake does that sound like the mission statement we were sold? Look at the cards on ESPN. The last FOX card was berto and Ortiz two washed up fighters. Haymon has the deepest stable in boxing yet rarely are any of the top fighters facing each other. He had the fighters, the networks, the money, and no politics preventing him from making PBC whatever he wanted. And he squandered it. Based on the resources and fighters he had there is no other way to describe the product we ended up getting as anything but disappointing.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. That is something you made up in your head, or your vision, because I've article I've read about PBC that never comes up. You set yourself up for disappointment on that one. Haymon is trying to stay away from the UFC model because UFC is a promotion company. If you have any info showing their vision was what you described please link me to the article. If you want me to I can link you to several articles describing their plan from the get go.

What is your definition of "meaningful fights"? I'd say they've put on some good fights on free TV. I'd even say meaningful because certain fights, Spence vs. Bundu for example, have to be fought because it leads to a mandatory fight. So I'd consider that a meaningful fight. Smith vs. Fonfara turned out meaningful because now a new name at LHW emerged.

Berto vs. Ortiz was not a meaningful fight. It was an action fight that casuals like to see. It sold decent at stub hub and did decent ratings. You have to realize, this sport can't grow if you can't attract casuals. GGG had the full force of the hardcore fans, the network, and the media behind him and was only able to get 150,000 PPV buys. That's no casual fan support. That's hardcore boxing fans. The numbers for Crawford-Postol and Ward-Kovalev will reflect hardcore fans too.

Another question. What are your expectations for HBO? Do you subscribe to HBO and what PPV's do you plan on buying this year?

[bigdunny1]

The Staples Center is still configured in its own way, separate from other venues. Talking about UFC tickets price "exactly" with no mention of actual UFC events at Staples Center leaves you open to look foolish.

The UFC has run events at the Staples Center before:

-Rousey-Zingano (~$2.7m on 16,500 tickets priced $600-$50; http://www.venuestoday.com/news/deta...-march-11-2015 ),

-Shogun-Vera in 2012 ($1.1m on 16,000 tickets, pricing unknown; http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/live-gate-attendance/ )

-Machida-Shogun in 2009 ($1.9m on ~14,900, pricing unknown and the information unsourced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_104)

-Hughes-Gracie ($2.9m on just short of 10,500 tickets solde, pricing unknown and information unsourced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_60)

Using the information direct from the source you want to talk up, without knowing the breakdown of what tickets actual sold (ringside versus nosebleeds), you start off the numbers at ~6200 tickets sold [took the Staples Center number from Rousey-Zingano, cut the ticket prices to match the $300-$25, found the revenue per ticket, and then figured the tickets needed to get up to the stated live gate for Garcia-Guerrero).

No one is saying that 12k was an all the way legit sold figure, but don't make yourself look ****** with some nonsense statement about Garcia-Guerrero having 60% of the tickets handed out for free.

Tickets were 25 for upper balcony, 50 for lower balcony, 100, for upper lower level, 150 lower level and 300 for ring side. Let's say 100 is the avg ticket price if they sold 12k tickets they would of grossed a live gate of 1.2m. Instead they did 500k consistent with around 5k sold tickets. It's literally impossible to of sold much more then 5k of the 12k attendance meaning they gave somewhere 7k tickets away for free.

The 12k number is BS no other way to say it. Rival promoters, media, and even fans have spoken about all the free tickets they are giving away and the live gate LA times reported with the actual figures proves it. The math don't work you can't sell tickets in the price ranges they sell and make only 500k unless the you are giving away more the half for free. Even if the avg ticket was 50 which is literally impossible unless you only sell the balcony if you did 12k that's 600k in live gate. Dude there is a reason they hide the live gate figures from the associated press.

[Motorcity Cobra]

a product that isn't ran by a black person (not my thinking, but his from the sounds of it)

That's the reason for some people. The same people who didn't give a **** about Povetkin until he was mandated to fight Wilder. Suddenly a crop of Povetkin fans sprung up. You also have to realize the organized media effort to destroy Haymon and PBC. Not all media but a sizeable chunk of the boxing media. Nobody in sports media take the boxing media serious. They know that you send your worst reporters to cover boxing because it's a corrupt, niche sport. You have your independent journalist, I think Jake from here is one of the best. But you have the "bible of boxing" owned by a promotion company. Can you imagine a basketball team owning ESPN? Would you take ESPN serious when they covered that team? And a lot of these writers work second jobs. They can't afford to be full time journalist. So you have promoters flying them out to fights, putting them up in hotel rooms, and paying their way. Of course they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. Steve Kim is the perfect example. He hates Andre Ward because he left Goosen. Goosen and Kim were good friends. You have Dan Rafael sitting at Arum's house watching fights. Can you writer that covers football watching the game from the owners suite? It's unethical. But since boxing isn't an organized sport, and writers must rely on promoters or networks to credential them, they don't want to do anything to lose that privilege.

[Tago Nang Tago]

That's the reason for some people. The same people who didn't give a **** about Povetkin until he was mandated to fight Wilder. Suddenly a crop of Povetkin fans sprung up. You also have to realize the organized media effort to destroy Haymon and PBC. Not all media but a sizeable chunk of the boxing media. Nobody in sports media take the boxing media serious. They know that you send your worst reporters to cover boxing because it's a corrupt, niche sport. You have your independent journalist, I think Jake from here is one of the best. But you have the "bible of boxing" owned by a promotion company. Can you imagine a basketball team owning ESPN? Would you take ESPN serious when they covered that team? And a lot of these writers work second jobs. They can't afford to be full time journalist. So you have promoters flying them out to fights, putting them up in hotel rooms, and paying their way. Of course they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. Steve Kim is the perfect example. He hates Andre Ward because he left Goosen. Goosen and Kim were good friends. You have Dan Rafael sitting at Arum's house watching fights. Can you writer that covers football watching the game from the owners suite? It's unethical. But since boxing isn't an organized sport, and writers must rely on promoters or networks to credential them, they don't want to do anything to lose that privilege.

very truthful post. this all boils down to boxing being a second rate sport that is uncared for by the majority of people.

victor ortiz got attacked by a fan in his last fight.

imagine if an NBA superstar got attacked by a rabid fan during a game? it would have been all over the news about how security at sporting events are lacking and how players aren't safe, yada yada.

[bigdunny1]

You are content with Spence vs bundu when haymon could have Spence vs garcia, Thurman, porter, khan, ect? Bundu ain't on nobody's top 10 ww lists and what need do you have for a mandatory fight to go after a non haymon welterweight champ when haymon owns 2 of the welterweight belts right now and most of the top fighters? That's my point he could of did away with the politics and belt organization bs. But he didnt.

And a fighter like fonfara should never headline any cards let alone a major card on NBC. Not when you have the names haymon has. Haymon could of generated more fans and flipped boxing on its ear instead he squander hundreds of million and nobody but a few hard core boxing fans care about pbc it's become irrelevant and a dumpster fire. PBC own investors are suing because they lost their money. When fans speak of PBC its mostly to criticse it. So yes it's been a big fat disappointment.

[Scipio2009]

Tickets were 25 for upper balcony, 50 for lower balcony, 100, for upper lower level, 150 lower level and 300 for ring side. Let's say 100 is the avg ticket price if they sold 12k tickets they would of grossed a live gate of 1.2m. Instead they did 500k consistent with around 5k sold tickets. It's literally impossible to of sold much more then 5k of the 12k attendance meaning they gave somewhere 7k tickets away for free.

1000 tickets @$300, 1000 tickets @$150, 1000 tickets at $100, 1000 tickets @$50, and 1000 tickets @$25 gets you to $625,000 in ticket revenue, and there's no way that Staples Center seats 1,000 people ringside.

On 500 ringside seats, you're looking at $475,000 in ticket revenue based on the ticket scheme, with another $40,000 in ticket revenue to make up.

If Staples Center is like any other basketball stadium, 8k of the 18k-seat capacity is like in the upper bowl/balcony anyway.

[Motorcity Cobra]

imagine if an NBA superstar got attacked by a rabid fan during a game? it would have been all over the news about how security at sporting events are lacking and how players aren't safe, yada yada.

Great point! The media doesn't care about boxing unless it's Mayweather. These two tweets right here sums it up

What an arrogant prick. No wonder his peers @espn diss him. BTW I don't recall saying 'world title.' https://t.co/tvnbgoEqvO

— Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) May 22, 2016

@AMacWitCheese @eaner0919 The Twitter boxing media is the last thing on anyone's mind here.

— Jonathan Snowden (@JESnowden) May 18, 2016