Question: What exactly was wrong with Evander Holyfield?

[Combat Talk Radio]

He did the same thing with Bert Cooper. Stood there and slugged it out with a man that had a bigger build than him and paid the price. A lot of people overlook that fight, but he took some unnecessary long term damage from that fight.

Circumstances, IMO.

Cooper was a late replacement, the title wasn't on the line and Holyfield was criticized that an old Foreman took him the distance. He wanted to prove that he COULD go back to being a KO/stoppage artist like he was at CW.

The problem is, it's always the late replacements that seem to shock the world, isn't it? Because Cooper was a journeyman in the best definition of the term yet he was rocking Holyfield from pillar to post. He didn't deserve that fight.

If anything the Cooper fight might have broken Evander's spirit a little, since it was his first knockdown if I recall. But I really think the (IMO) one-sided handling of him by Rid**** Bowe was the curtain call. I just don't know why he chose to fight like that when he could easily have danced circles around Bowe.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Oh lawd you sho is naive. Errybody using son.

So why didn't everybody get caught? Shane and Holyfield were using the most advanced clinic in history (outside of govt sponsored PED programs) and they never failed a test. Since a lot of fighters couldn't afford the BALCO program you'd think they were buy their PED's off the the less reputable black market. Seems like we should've saw a lot more pissing hot from post fight tests like Toney?

[SouthPawHitman]

So why didn't everybody get caught? Shane and Holyfield were using the most advanced clinic in history (outside of govt sponsored PED programs) and they never failed a test. Since a lot of fighters couldn't afford the BALCO program you'd think they were buy their PED's off the the less reputable black market. Seems like we should've saw a lot more pissing hot from post fight tests like Toney?

It's called a cycle homie. You gots to be dumb as hell to fail a drug test when you know when it's coming. This is boxing man,it's the most corrupt shit in teh world.

Fam when millions and millions of dollars are on the line you best bet yo ass folks gone be doing every damn thing they can to get an advantage,whether legal or not. Boxing is corrupt as the day is long son. Don't let the inner fanboy cloud your judgement,all these mother****ers are using. I don't blame them tho.

[PivotandRoll]

It's called a cycle homie. You gots to be dumb as hell to fail a drug test when you know when it's coming. This is boxing man,it's the most corrupt shit in teh world.

Fam when millions and millions of dollars are on the line you best bet yo ass folks gone be doing every damn thing they can to get an advantage,whether legal or not. Boxing is corrupt as the day is long son. Don't let the inner fanboy cloud your judgement,all these mother****ers are using. I don't blame them tho.

WOw....>WHat complete and utter horse*****. Evander was the cheater. Not other people. Fu(king coward can't accept his hero had to cheat because he wasn't good enough without it. "Oh but they all do it" keep telling yourself that.

[SouthPawHitman]

WOw....>WHat complete and utter horse*****. Evander was the cheater. Not other people. Fu(king coward can't accept his hero had to cheat because he wasn't good enough without it. "Oh but they all do it" keep telling yourself that.

My favorite fighters in my sig and I don't appreciate you calling Holyfield a coward. He's a warrior.

[SouthPawHitman]

[SouthPawHitman]

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[Redd Foxx]

holyfield was juiced out of his mind a cyborg and almost died from a heart condition caused by the PEDs. he is worshipped and povetkin is the worst villan in boxing for a billionth of an mg of a legal until a few months ago substance

And, you said Pov falling a drug test is a Haymon conspiracy (among other nonsense). You have no credibility.

[Dip_Slide]

In case u didn't know, Evander Holyfield started his pro career at 175, moved up to cruiserweight and became a chamo there then again to heavyweight and became a champ here too, the guy is a natural Cruiserweight who fought at heavyweight to get the bigger fights, he fought other natural heavyweights and beaten a lot of great fighters.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Evander fought a lot of tough durable guys that rarely get stopped.. His power was good.

his ko ratio also gets hurt by the fact that he fought way past his prime vs guys like ruiz 3 times, byrd, Donald, sultan, valuev