Question: What exactly was wrong with Evander Holyfield?

[BKM-]

Dude come on. He BARELY got out of there with the belts and that certainly was not his best performance.

The main swing round was skewed because of the parachute dude. Prior to that Bowe was bombing on "Real Deal" and likely would have won the fight on SD - which is why Bowe stopped him in the third fight.

Holyfield/Douglas was easily the best of Holyfield IMO. Yes, Douglas was effectively a journeyman, but from a style perspective, that's the Holyfield I expected to see in every fight and didn't. That's my point.

It's like Grabomir/Fury. I saw Grabomir literally take Hasim Rahman to school and domesticate David Haye, yet he "chose not to throw punches" against an out of shape Tyson Fury and basically turned Povetkin into a pillow for a nap? Why?

It's been a while but I remember scoring the fight for Holyfield easily. I remember a lot of fantastic footwork, counter punching, even counter punching in combinations and he hurt Rid**** badly at one point. But most importantly he stopped slugging with Bowe which is what cost him the first and third fights.

Everyone believes Holyfield was at his peak in the first fight but he lost that one very clearly. He won the second fight clearly according to most, so the whole "Holy was never the same after Bowe 1" does not hold up at all.

But still, he took a lot of damage against a much bigger man and that is what made Evander decline. Sometimes it only takes one war to take its toll on you. This should be obvious, I don't know why you're so confused about that.

[Combat Talk Radio]

It's been a while but I remember scoring the fight for Holyfield easily. I remember a lot of fantastic footwork, counter punching, even counter punching in combinations and he hurt Rid**** badly at one point. But most importantly he stopped slugging with Bowe which is what cost him the first and third fights.

In many corners Bowe won that fight 7 rounds to 5. Again, the only swing round was the parachute round and Bowe was on his way to taking that one. Bowe was busier, landed more. Meanwhile Holyfield was headbutting and throwing after the bell. Go back and look at the scores. It was Foreman/Schulz all over again.

IMO Bowe beat him three times.

Everyone believes Holyfield was at his peak in the first fight but he lost that one very clearly. He won the second fight clearly according to most, so the whole "Holy was never the same after Bowe 1" does not hold up at all.

I didn't say he was AT his peak with that fight. I said he started his decline WITH that fight. Total difference.

I don't buy that it's just a story of "went to war with a big dude", that's BS. He was fresh off a Back-To-School session against the BIGGEST dude in the yard in George Foreman and came out largely unscathed, despite Foreman being fresh off a KO streak.

[firstborn]

holyfield was juiced out of his mind a cyborg and almost died from a heart condition caused by the PEDs. he is worshipped and povetkin is the worst villan in boxing for a billionth of an mg of a legal until a few months ago substance

Holyfield is respected but hardly worshipped. From what I've seen he's usually brought up around here when he makes comments on current boxers.

Povetkin isn't vilified, its just that hardly anyone believes his trace amount explanation for testing positive. Povetkin apologists are another issue, most of the insults and animosity you see in his threads are actually in response to the silly **** they post.......

[betmen]

my god there is so much ignorant diarehea in TS post

He had an excellent physique yet has a below average KO record. He seemed to gas inside of 6 rounds in every fight. He had a tendency to fight dirty when he didn't need to, and he was a clinchmaster.

My question is, why? What was it about him? Why was he not more dominant? Why was he not the next coming of Foreman?

Really?? you wrote evander always "gas inside the 6 rounds" the same evander who hold 3 fight of the years including one 15 rounders . and clinchmaster?? please just admit you only see 3 evander's fight then decide to make this thread.

and why he's not the next foreman you ask, he's small heavy weight that's why, i remember he's only weight 202lbs in the first bowe fight. so why the hell you compare him to big powerful HW like george foreman??

This makes sense if he was suited for cruiser, but I don't even think that's it. The competition level at cruiser was a joke really.

really? evander's Cruiser weight run is a joke?? he won his title at only his 12th pro againts respected champion Muhammad qawi in 15 rounders FOTY war, before that in his 9th pro fight he K.O Mutti former title chalenger. after evander got his title he K.O tillman a hot prospect and olympic gold medalist.

you know great boxer dont just born a great boxer right? they have to be groom to reach level of young prospect----> hot prospect---> title contender--> ABC champion.

early at boxer career mangaer and trainer usually have to carefully matching them to reach those next level. evander already fight a contender when he still only have 1 digit in his resume. that's not great?? that's a joke to you??

Holyfield/Douglas was easily the best of Holyfield IMO. Yes, Douglas was effectively a journeyman, but from a style perspective, that's the Holyfield I expected to see in every fight and didn't. That's my point.

you think boxer made of steel?? after countless wars, serious health problem and reach age 32 you still expect evander fight like prime 28 years old champion

but even after reach past prime he's comeback, change his style to be more technical, more crafty, more dirty and once again HW champion of the world

[80sboxingrules]

Holyfield should have never got into that slugging match with bowe in the first fight.

It was all downhill from there.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Holyfield should have never got into that slugging match with bowe in the first fight.

It was all downhill from there.

THANK YOU! This is what I'm saying. He abandoned a style that was working extremely well for him and from that fight on it was the same thing for the most part. What was it? Was it bad knees? Was it age? Was it Lou Duva? Why? Why did he not remain the slick boxer from before he met Bowe?

[SouthPawHitman]

But he wouldn't have been as successful. PED's won't make you go in there and knock everybody out. But it will help you recover faster in order to train longer and harder which leads to that extra edge in the ring.

Yes Evander was on steroids,but you know who else was on steroids? Almost every fighter he ever fought. I ain't saying it's right but it's true.

This man is cut from a different cloth,the heart he possesses is once in a generation. Millions of people have been on steroids and they couldn't fight like Evander could and none of them possessed the heart Evander and myself have. He never had a problem with his heart,he always fought till he couldn't fight anymore. To say Evander has heart and toughness issue is not accurate.

[80sboxingrules]

THANK YOU! This is what I'm saying. He abandoned a style that was working extremely well for him and from that fight on it was the same thing for the most part. What was it? Was it bad knees? Was it age? Was it Lou Duva? Why? Why did he not remain the slick boxer from before he met Bowe?

He did the same thing with Bert Cooper. Stood there and slugged it out with a man that had a bigger build than him and paid the price. A lot of people overlook that fight, but he took some unnecessary long term damage from that fight.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Yes Evander was on steroids,but you know who else was on steroids? Almost every fighter he ever fought. I ain't saying it's right but it's true

Where is the proof? If you feel it's true then that's cool. But if you're making a factual claim imma need proof. You're trying to justify his steroid use because he's one of your favorite fighters.

I loved Mosley and Holyfield. I rooted for both over ODLH and Tyson. But after I learned about their juicing I said **** those POS.

[SouthPawHitman]

Where is the proof? If you feel it's true then that's cool. But if you're making a factual claim imma need proof. You're trying to justify his steroid use because he's one of your favorite fighters.

I loved Mosley and Holyfield. I rooted for both over ODLH and Tyson. But after I learned about their juicing I said **** those POS.

Oh lawd you sho is naive. Errybody using son.