Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia Mulling Offers From Al Haymon and Golden Boy

[Scipio2009]

Not true. A year to 2 years ago Haymon was throwing around big signing bonus and was signing up all the young talent in boxing. He was out bidding promoters that's why these hot prospects were inking with him and staying promotional free agents. Early last year you couldn't go a week without seeing boxingscene official news of a young fighter signing with Haymon. So what changed? The last 6-8months you see Golden Boy and many other promoters getting the hot prospects. And now a fighter who everyone thought was a lock to sign with Haymon the moment his legal dispute is over is now debating on signing with Mayweather promotions or Golden Boy? That's because both must be willing to offer signing bonues that Haymon for whatever reason no longer is willing to fork over. There are tons of Haymon fighters that have nothing official to do with Mayweather promotions so why does Garcia have to work with Haymon?

When his dispute with Top Rank came up all those years ago the stories were he was signing with Haymon not Mayweather Promotions. So what changed? I follow the money and Haymon probably got too much money going on with PBC which is why you seeing him not sign fighters like we saw in the past. It's also why if you look at PBC purses they have fallen drastically. He now needs other networks to pay for his guys purses (which is why so many of his fighters going back to Showtime/HBO) and other promoters to sign his fighters so they can pay the signing bonus's these fighters looking for not him.

Please point to a single instance where Haymon paid out anyone a sizable amount of money to sign a deal with him; Haymon's lynchpin has always been that a top prospect doesn't have to pay out a dime to him until they were earning over a rumored $150k.

Caleb "Sweet Hands" Plant, a guy who looks like he's got the making of being a really good fighter, has been with Haymon for just two years, has had 13 professional fights, has been regularly showcased on TV, his profile is starting to catch traction, and he's likely yet to have paid Haymon a penny just yet.

In the last 6-8 months, who have these "hot prospects" actually been, lol?

The 2016 Summer Olympics is going to be underway in a few short months and, just like 2012, I have no doubt Haymon is likely to sweep up fighters again (with the SoCal fighters possibly drawn away by Golden Boy/Top Rank), with his partnership with some promoters getting him access to a significant number of the potential international boxers who will turn professional (Lou DiBella finding his own conduit to that Ukranian/Eastern Euro fighter market).

Mikey Garcia is potentially signing with Mayweather Promotions because Al Haymon isn't a promotional company; rather than simply being fit in wherever a show can potentially pop up, signing with Mayweather gives Mikey Garcia a base in Nevada/SoCal to build his starpower from.

No different than Wilder seemingly sticking with Lou DiBella, continuing to build things in Alabama but also giving him a firming relationship with the top New York promoter in boxing today.

[Scipio2009]

Those photos of him in drag lessened the "Oscar effect".

Yes they did, but the media effort to basically act as if none of that even actually happened (remember the reaction that folks had when Floyd ran down Oscar for those same faults after the "peace letter" hit piece, and how outraged that folks were that Floyd was bringing up "old news") has worked to limit the damage in Oscar's Latin American fight fan base.

The boxing communities of SoCal aren't kept attuned to the fishnets and drug abuse, or the fact that he jumped into rehab for the biggest night of his top fighter's career, or his family dynamics, or the rest of the skeletons in his closet.

The media continues to push the smiling "Golden Boy" from East LA who had the exciting fights and massive events, and the SoCal boxing world is still compelled by those stories.

[SkillspayBills]

If Mikey goes with Haymon and Mayweather he'll be dead to me.

Didn't know promoters shaped who you were a fan of. What a ****ing clown you are.

[al-Xander]

That would be a dumb move..sign with a coked-up cross-dresser because he's a mexican.

I agree with you doe. it's a dumb move as explained in my later post. He should have signed up with uncle Haymon as soon as he settled his case with Arum. Isn't that why he left Arum in the first place? Sign up with uncle Al? Of course, he will be promoted by Ellerbe and Floyd automatically. It's a standard OP in the PBC arena.

Why is he even considering GBP? It's no better than TR.

[_original_]

Why does he need Mayweather? To get some low quality and tacky TMT merchandise for free? Just sign with Haymon and let it all fall into place.


Would be hilarious to see Floyd's reaction when/if he signs with DLH of all people. Lol

[Scipio2009]

I'm kinda surprised Mikey seems to be legit considering any promoter. I think he's a solid enough name, even with his inactivity, to be one of these Thurman, Porter, Broner, Santa Cruz guys who are freelancing promoters.

To me the potential big upside here is that if Mikey could get on Canelo undercards I think he could get right back on track really fast + get even bigger than he ever was. And GBP seems to have a good relationship with HBO + they have their Estrella deal. Granted Estrella probably isn't the place Mikey wants to be longterm nor would it even make sense long term, but I could see GBP getting him some rust off fights on Estrella & then get him on a HBO card before the end of the year along with a spot on Canelo's Sept card.




I was actually thinking Mikey was low-key with Haymon already. I would think Haymon would have nabbed up Mikey for himself already (without the Floyd connection the deal seems to include) as Mikey would be a great addition to the PBC brand which is lacking in high profile, quality Mexican fighters. I mean right now PBC's most broad appeal Mexican fighter is arguably Chavez Jr. (Santa Cruz is probably a solid #2 & a guy who gets much more respect as a boxer obviously) who feels more like a novelty act than a real talent. So if this offer is as 2nd place as it sounds I'm a lil disappointed Haymon didn't make a bigger play at him now as I think Mikey could be one of the faces of PBC boxing with his KO friendly style, nice & smart guy persona. But yea I guess Haymon could make another offer later, but it seems like nows the time to get him at a better place.

Rather than traveling the country, stepping on whatever big stage that can come his way, I think that Mikey Garcia has eyes on build himself into a national draw out of SoCal, before heading to Las Vegas when he bubbles into being that star attraction.

In a 45-fight career, Oscar De La Hoya had all of 8 fights outside of California/Nevada (you can't cut that number down to 6, depending on if you think going to Arizona early in his career was worth anything); Mikey doesn't have to do much different imo.

Personally, I think the "Canelo effect" for Mikey Garcia is being overstated; Mikey can fight, Mikey is a good-enough looking guy, Mikey can cut interviews in English/Spanish, and Mikey is a pretty good story. Once he gets active again, the fans will come.

In terms of the potential Haymon offer that was made, I think the realization is settling in that the structure of a Haymon partnership is different than pretty much every other potential offer that could've been put forward; Haymon want Mikey to bet on Mikey, Mikey seems confident in betting on himself, but the Garcia clan is doing a complete due diligence of the offers in hand.

I hope he takes the leap with Haymon.

[Kigali]

Yes they did, but the media effort to basically act as if none of that even actually happened (remember the reaction that folks had when Floyd ran down Oscar for those same faults after the "peace letter" hit piece, and how outraged that folks were that Floyd was bringing up "old news") has worked to limit the damage in Oscar's Latin American fight fan base.

The boxing communities of SoCal aren't kept attuned to the fishnets and drug abuse, or the fact that he jumped into rehab for the biggest night of his top fighter's career, or his family dynamics, or the rest of the skeletons in his closet.

The media continues to push the smiling "Golden Boy" from East LA who had the exciting fights and massive events, and the SoCal boxing world is still compelled by those stories.

Oscar will bring a lot of people down with him..because his as.s is falling.

[Kigali]

Why does he need Mayweather? To get some low quality and tacky TMT merchandise for free? Just sign with Haymon and let it all fall into place.


Would be hilarious to see Floyd's reaction when/if he signs with DLH of all people. Lol

Would be hilarious to see Oscar's reaction when/if he signs with TMT of all people.

[PK3434]

Please point to a single instance where Haymon paid out anyone a sizable amount of money to sign a deal with him; Haymon's lynchpin has always been that a top prospect doesn't have to pay out a dime to him until they were earning over a rumored $150k.

Caleb "Sweet Hands" Plant, a guy who looks like he's got the making of being a really good fighter, has been with Haymon for just two years, has had 13 professional fights, has been regularly showcased on TV, his profile is starting to catch traction, and he's likely yet to have paid Haymon a penny just yet.

In the last 6-8 months, who have these "hot prospects" actually been, lol?

The 2016 Summer Olympics is going to be underway in a few short months and, just like 2012, I have no doubt Haymon is likely to sweep up fighters again (with the SoCal fighters possibly drawn away by Golden Boy/Top Rank), with his partnership with some promoters getting him access to a significant number of the potential international boxers who will turn professional (Lou DiBella finding his own conduit to that Ukranian/Eastern Euro fighter market).

Mikey Garcia is potentially signing with Mayweather Promotions because Al Haymon isn't a promotional company; rather than simply being fit in wherever a show can potentially pop up, signing with Mayweather gives Mikey Garcia a base in Nevada/SoCal to build his starpower from.

No different than Wilder seemingly sticking with Lou DiBella, continuing to build things in Alabama but also giving him a firming relationship with the top New York promoter in boxing today.

Well, considering it would be illegal, that would not be publicized. But Chavez jr is a guy that supposedly got a big signing bonus to join Al Haymon. Same with Abner Mares. These are done in sneaky ways like having the fighter set up an LLC or small promotional company and then Haymon transfering funds to those companies. Its common knowledge Haymon was paying guys to sign with him.

[bigdunny1]

Please point to a single instance where Haymon paid out anyone a sizable amount of money to sign a deal with him; Haymon's lynchpin has always been that a top prospect doesn't have to pay out a dime to him until they were earning over a rumored $150k.

Caleb "Sweet Hands" Plant, a guy who looks like he's got the making of being a really good fighter, has been with Haymon for just two years, has had 13 professional fights, has been regularly showcased on TV, his profile is starting to catch traction, and he's likely yet to have paid Haymon a penny just yet.

In the last 6-8 months, who have these "hot prospects" actually been, lol?

The 2016 Summer Olympics is going to be underway in a few short months and, just like 2012, I have no doubt Haymon is likely to sweep up fighters again (with the SoCal fighters possibly drawn away by Golden Boy/Top Rank), with his partnership with some promoters getting him access to a significant number of the potential international boxers who will turn professional (Lou DiBella finding his own conduit to that Ukranian/Eastern Euro fighter market).

Mikey Garcia is potentially signing with Mayweather Promotions because Al Haymon isn't a promotional company; rather than simply being fit in wherever a show can potentially pop up, signing with Mayweather gives Mikey Garcia a base in Nevada/SoCal to build his starpower from.

No different than Wilder seemingly sticking with Lou DiBella, continuing to build things in Alabama but also giving him a firming relationship with the top New York promoter in boxing today.

What do you mean what example look at the army of fighters Haymon has that have no promotional ties. So how do you think he signed them? By giving them a bigger signing bonus then other promoters. You think these fighters are taking less money and signing with haymon out of the goodness of their heart and not given signing bonus like the rest of the top fighters? LMAO And of course we don't know the amount he overpaid for guys in the past because Haymon don't speak and his fighters never speak on their contracts they have with Haymon. His contracts are basically the most guarded secret in sports.

Again why all a sudden does Mayweather promotions need to be in the picture unless it's money related and they are fronting the signing bonus? None of the other guys haymon scooped up he made sign with Mayweather or any of the other promoters he works with. He keeps more money and control if they sign directly to him. There is a dynamic change whether you want to admit it or not. If this was the standard protocol then Spence, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Wilder would all be signed or steered to sign with Mayweather promotions yet none have deals with Mayweather.