Comments Thread For: Lomachenko on The Move? Could Be at 135 After One Defense

[SteveM]

Moving up in weight and grabbing a title doesn't mean you're making history. Ricky Burns won a title in his third weight class and "made history" recently. Cleaning up a division is more impressive in my opinion, unless you're moving up to take on the best fighter in your new division.

There are a lot of good fights for Lomachenko at super featherweight: Vargas, Salido rematch, Walters, Gamboa, Fortuna.

Only Walters is a money match. If you can get momentum by jumping up and beating a solid champion, not some doozy like Burns just did, then that catches the media's attention and a 'new star is born'. Very few fighters can jump up and dominate. I say fight Walters and move up for Flanagan or Crolla - that would bring huge money for Loma, especially if the Flanagan-Crolla fight happens and he fights the winner.

[SteveM]

Rigondeaux next, then Walters, then 135 for Verdejo's last fight there to make Loma-Verdejo in a really big lower weight class fight.

There will be no losers in that fight. Both fighters win, fans win, best vs best, and boxing historians 50 years from now will appreciate that the fight was made. Loma-Rigo HAS to happen for boxing history and so does Loma-Verdejo.

You're living in another fantasy world. Deal with realities. After that performance Rigo at 35 yrs old is going nowhere near Loma and especially not at 128. If he wouldn't jump to 126 before , or even 124 he aint going to 128.

Loma Verdejo is not a "really big lower weight class fight" - maybe for Ricans but that is about it at this time. If verdejo could do something against a world level opponent then maybe yes then and only for hardcore fans. Maybe Verdejo could come down to 130 and fight Walters if Walters doesn't fancy the money on offer for Loma.

Loma-rigo would be a great fight but now it seems impossible to make. These things happen like 2 ships passing in the night - finally they are out of sight of each other and that is it. Unless Verdejo improves dramatically boxing historians in 50 yrs time will be hard-pressed to distinguish him from any other contender of this era. Loma, because of the history he made yesterday will be a footnote in history - at least.

[SteveM]

Believe me, nobody is going to remember that record. You know what people WILL REMEMBER THOUGH? Cleaning up the Featherweight and Super Featherweight divisions by FIGHTING AND BEATING the top guys in what could be the two best divisions in boxing right now!
I seriously doubt Loma goes back down if goes to 135. If Loma wants more belts to attract the casuals, then there are 3 more in both the Featherweight and Super Featherweight divisions to obtain.

Except cleaning up is a time consuming endeavor and is not easy to do because of politics and fighters like Walters wanting more money than they are probably worth. Then once you get 2 or 3 belts you are inundated with crap mandatories [look at GGG and Brook] that take all your momentum away as instead of stretching yourself you often fight down towards the opponents level.

Do you really think beating Flanagan would be seen as less of an achievement than beating another title holder at 126? - come on - get real.

Lastly, 126 is fairly hot as a division, 130 not so much imo. The two hottest divisions right now are LMW and Cruiserweight. LMW has 6 top fighters and CW has tremendous depth.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Except cleaning up is a time consuming endeavor and is not easy to do because of politics and fighters like Walters wanting more money than they are probably worth. Then once you get 2 or 3 belts you are inundated with crap mandatories [look at GGG and Brook] that take all your momentum away as instead of stretching yourself you often fight down towards the opponents level.

Do you really think beating Flanagan would be seen as less of an achievement than beating another title holder at 126? - come on - get real.

Lastly, 126 is fairly hot as a division, 130 not so much imo. The two hottest divisions right now are LMW and Cruiserweight. LMW has 6 top fighters and CW has tremendous depth.

I know Cruiserweight is one of the best divisions. I've been saying it for years before most started jumping on the bandwagon.
LMW only has good American fighters and that's why people consider it a strong division, because it's one of the divisions that get the most attention due to it being a strong American division. However, the fact that Martirosyan and the Charlo's are some of the top guys in the division tells me all I need to know. I'm not saying it's a bad division. It's definitely up there, but not top 2.

How about you get real? Santa Cruz and Russell are better than Flanagan. Oscar Valdez isn't champion yet, but he will be very soon and Valdez will go down as one of the best Mexican fighters to ever lace them up, mark my words. I knew Valdez was special since I saw him at the 08 Olympics. Valdez can be a good fight for Loma at 126 or 130. Flanagan will go down as just a champion.
I'm a Loma fan, I'm looking out for his best interest. I want him to go down as a legend and trying to clean up those divisions is better than going up to 135 right now.
I'm not against Loma moving up, but why move up so soon when there is still a lot of work to do in the division he is currently in?
130 is about equal with 126. 130 actually has more quantity than 126 and there about equal in terms of quality. Learn your divisions before you say something like that.

Honestly, what are you even trying to argue?
All I'm saying is that Loma should try to clean up 126 and 130 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE before moving up! Why move up and leave a lot of questions?
If you can't see that 126 and 130 are good weight divisions to try and clean up then I don't know what to tell you. It seems like you would rather see Loma face Flanagan and Crolla over Salido, Vargas, Fortuna, Corrales, Walters, Pedraza, Santa Cruz, Russell II, Valdez, and even Gamboa.
Yeah, sure all of the fights may not happen and he'll have to make mandatories here and there. I understand that. If Loma starts fighting more often it won't feel too bad. And guess what? If he can't get the top guys in the divisions then move up, but why move up before even trying to clean it up?
Is that too difficult to understand?
For now Loma should just focus on the weight division he's at. Let's see what he can do there and if it doesn't workout then move up. But no reason to move up right away without first trying.
I feel like I have to repeat myself multiple times so some of you people can understand.

135 is a division that may be good in a couple of years, but it's not that good right now.

[bojangles1987]

That would suck. 135 is weak and there are some damn good fights for him at 130. He should stick there and carve a bit of legacy for himself.

[1g5a22]

Its actually what I suspected.. Its an awesome idea. He'd beat Jorge Linares.

[mapleleaf27]

Golovkin is such a coward.

You should watch the end of the fight between Khan and Canalita, someone was asking to have their balls touched? I am pretty sure Golovkin was mando for a "middleweight" title fight which is 160 lbs?? What is your issue? GGG wins a fight to become mando challenger but meanwhile the champ does not want to face him at 160. Go **** your Alvascared blow up doll some more tonight.

[therealpugilist]

That would be a dumb move. 135 is pretty weak.
If Loma wants to make more history it's better to clean up 126 and 130.
People will remember Loma cleaning up both stacked divisions. Not many will remember him capturing his third weight class title in the least amount of fights.

STAY AT 130 AND 126!!!! It would be dumb to move up when both divisions are this hot.

I agree.....135 is in a dry spell

130 is loaded....Francisco Vargas, rematch Siri, he could fight Muira or the guy who beat Uchiyama.

135 is not the move at the moment.

Also a rematch with russell would be a good fight, both have improved as pros.

[DreamerUSA]

The money and the fan interest is in the higher weights so it's in his best interest to move up. I just hate that he's leaving these divisions with unfinished business. Just hopping weight classes and winning one alphabet title makes him no different from. Adrien Broner and Santa Cruz.

Money or legacy wise. 135 is a wasteland for Loma outside of maybe Crolla, which could be a good money fight in the UK. Loma could really put a huge stamp on his legacy at 130 and make money. Not sure why he would bother with 135. If he wants to be a 3 division titilist, he can always do that down the road.

[Bronx2245]

Loma is the truth! I think he has the skill to move up and be successful, but I want to see him fight The "Axe Man," Salido and Vargas @ 130 before he goes up. It's not like there's no one to challenge him @ 130. He's not in the same boat as GGG.I also hope Arum's talks with Haymon can lead to Loma vs. LSC, Mares, and Zlaticanin!