Comments Thread For: Errol Spence-Leonard Bundu Title Eliminator Ordered By IBF

[DreamerUSA]

No he's not. Sure he's a full WW but he's never been a world champ and is 41 years old. He's not on ESPN, RING or anybody credible top 10 ranking for ANY weight for a reason. He is a middle of the road journey man. Algieri has quality wins of named fighters, was world champ and been in with more top fighters. After that win Spence should be stepping it up and fighting a legit top 10 ranked fighter and Bundu isn't that.

With the fighters in Haymon's stable there is no need to jump through hoops and fight a bum like Bundu when haymon has multiple world champs at 147 and loads of higher ranked fighters then Bundu.

Ok seriously. Journeyman? Bum? Dude has one L and is the exact type of fighter Spence should be fighting. People get too caught up on names rather than getting the kid the kind of ring expirience he needs. Bundu is crafty, awkward and won't sit there and be a punching bag like Algieri. Is Bundu a better fighter than Algieri? Probably not, but he is a superior opponent for Spence.

I like Spence a lot, but people need to keep their **** in their pants. Kid beats the **** out of bums, beats one top 20 guy and all of the sudden they want to throw him in the deep end of the pool without swimming lessons.

[bigdunny1]

Ok seriously. Journeyman? Bum? Dude has one L and is the exact type of fighter Spence should be fighting. People get too caught up on names rather than getting the kid the kind of ring expirience he needs. Bundu is crafty, awkward and won't sit there and be a punching bag like Algieri. Is Bundu a better fighter than Algieri? Probably not, but he is a superior opponent for Spence.

I like Spence a lot, but people need to keep their **** in their pants. Kid beats the **** out of bums, beats one top 20 guy and all of the sudden they want to throw him in the deep end of the pool without swimming lessons.

Only 1 L because look at where and who he is fighting! Can you name any of the dudes he's beaten? He is 41 and his one fight against a established fighter here in the US he got blown out lost every round. He's fought in the US twice. One he got blown out the second he faced a bum who has 11 losses and is currently ranked 210th in the world at welterweight. Other then that he has fought exclusively overseas against horrible competition. His record means jack to me. If he fought the same guys Algeri has he would have 3 losses or more there is not a single fight Algieri lost that Bundu would of won. Got one dude telling me he showed heart in his loss against thurman when he was white washed the entire fight yet Algieri gets no credit when he almost beat Khan in a nail biter? Algieri has fought Emmanuel Taylor, Ruslan, Pacquiao, Khan, Bone, Spence in his last 6 fights. All these guys are better then ANYONE Bundu has fought minus Thurman where he was blown out for 12 rounds.

[bigdunny1]

The point is Spence should not be fighting guys at or below Algieri's level. After his last fight people are talking about him being able to beat anybody at 147 and calling him the future top P4P king. Last year he was calling out guys like Thurman. He's yet to face a SINGLE top 10 ranked Welterweight. Now he is taking a step back and fighting bum Bundu? Why? He is more then ready to face one of Haymon's title holders or any in the long list of top fighters such as Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Khan, Peterson, Broner, ect.

He's 26 OLDER then Canelo with a long amateur background. Canelo been fighting p4p, world champs, future HOFers, for years. While people call the younger Canelo chicken for not fighting the current #2 P4P ranked fighter and going up in weight to do so. Yet Spence who has yet to face 1 single top 10 ranked welterweight. And he don't need to jump through hoops for no garbage eliminator. You have to do that when you signed to a promoter who don't have any top fighters in his stable to pair him. He's with god damn Haymon who owns all the top welterweights. This is Haymon's deepest division and he control 2 of the major belts if Haymon wants him to have a title shot now he can make it happen. So why play games with an eliminator for a belt Brook might vacate?

[DreamerUSA]

Only 1 L because look at where and who he is fighting! Can you name any of the dudes he's beaten? His one fight against a established fighter here in the US he got blown out lost every round. He's fought in the US twice. One he got blown out the second he faced a bum who has 11 losses and is currently ranked 210th in the world at welterweight. Other then that he has fought exclusively overseas against horrible competition. His record means jack to me. If he fought the same guys Algeri has he would have 3 losses or more there is not a single fight Algieri lost that Bundu would of won. Got one dude telling me he showed heart in his loss against thurman when he was white washed the entire fight yet Algieri gets no credit when he almost beat Khan in a nail biter? Algieri has fought Emmanuel Taylor, Ruslan, Pacquiao, Khan, Bone, Spence in his last 6 fights. All these guys are better then ANYONE Bundu has fought minus Thurman where he was blown out for 12 rounds.

Again. You're getting too hung up on names. Ring expirience is the name of the game and what Bundu brings to the ring is exactly the type of expirience Spence needs. I'm not arguing that Bundu is a better fighter or that he has a better resume or any of that other nonsense. I'm saying that as an opponent he will be better than Algieri. He will definitly give Spence looks he has'nt seen before and won't sit there and just let Spence beat the **** out of him.

[FLY TY]

The point is Spence should not be fighting guys at or below Algieri's level. After his last fight people are talking about him being able to beat anybody at 147 and calling him the future top P4P king. Last year he was calling out guys like Thurman. He's yet to face a SINGLE top 10 ranked Welterweight. Now he is taking a step back and fighting bum Bundu? Why? He is more then ready to face one of Haymon's title holders or any in the long list of top fighters such as Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Khan, Peterson, Broner, ect.

He's 26 OLDER then Canelo with a long amateur background. Canelo been fighting p4p, world champs, future HOFers, for years. While people call the younger Canelo chicken for not fighting the current #2 P4P ranked fighter and going up in weight to do so. Yet Spence who has yet to face 1 single top 10 ranked welterweight. And he don't need to jump through hoops for no garbage eliminator. You have to do that when you signed to a promoter who don't have any top fighters in his stable to pair him. He's with god damn Haymon who owns all the top welterweights. This is Haymon's deepest division and he control 2 of the major belts if Haymon wants him to have a title shot now he can make it happen. So why play games with an eliminator for a belt Brook might vacate?

Nobody wants to fight Spence right now...that includes Thurman and Garcia, the two belt holders Harmon manages. He's basically fighting an interim fight, so he can get a belt, that way nobody has an excuse to not fight him, unless they're fighting another belt holder.
Nobody is calling Spence out, but everybody is talking about unifying 147. The only way he gets the Thurman's, Garcia's and Brook's is by having a title...

[bigdunny1]

Again. You're getting too hung up on names. Ring expirience is the name of the game and what Bundu brings to the ring is exactly the type of expirience Spence needs. I'm not arguing that Bundu is a better fighter or that he has a better resume or any of that other nonsense. I'm saying that as an opponent he will be better than Algieri. He will definitly give Spence looks he has'nt seen before and won't sit there and just let Spence beat the **** out of him.

My larger problem is Haymon has too many guys who are all not fighting each other instead are passing around their left overs. Instead of fighting Thurman/Porter he is going to fight Thurmans left overs in Bundu? Instead of fighting Khan he fights Khan's left over in Algieri. Instead of Thurman fighting Khan last year Thurman fights Khan's left over in Collazo. Instead of Danny fighting Thurman/Porter he fights Porters left over in Paulie and Thurman's left overs in Guerrero.

Nobody else see's a problem with all these guys at the same weight and instead of fighting each other they just keep fighting the same bums they each beat the year before in noncompetitive fights? Spence don't need no more seasoning he's 26, long amateur background. Fighters younger, less experienced have been fighting better caliber opponents for years. Yet it's crazy for us to expect a top fighter like Spence be allowed to fight just 1 top 10 caliber fighter when he's with Haymon and he owns all the belts and top fighters?

[bigdunny1]

Nobody wants to fight Spence right now...that includes Thurman and Garcia, the two belt holders Harmon manages. He's basically fighting an interim fight, so he can get a belt, that way nobody has an excuse to not fight him, unless they're fighting another belt holder.
Nobody is calling Spence out, but everybody is talking about unifying 147. The only way he gets the Thurman's, Garcia's and Brook's is by having a title...

Haymon controls who and when these guys fight. I don't buy the nobody will fight me so that's why these fights not happening. If Haymon wanted it all these guys would of been fought hell they would be on their rematches with each other by now. Instead Haymon wants each to get their own belt and pass around their left overs. These fighters are not scared of each other they grown men but Haymon is paying them good money to fight bums and milk these fights so they go along with it. But as a fan there is no excuse for this crap you can't even use the BS excuse that these guys have rival managers and promoters so politics is stopping the fight. They have the same advisor who doubles as their manager and promoter.

[FLY TY]

Haymon controls who and when these guys fight. I don't buy the nobody will fight me so that's why these fights not happening. If Haymon wanted it all these guys would of been fought hell they would be on their rematches with each other by now. Instead Haymon wants each to get their own belt and pass around their left overs. These fighters are not scared of each other they grown men but Haymon is paying them good money to fight bums and milk these fights so they go along with it. But as a fan there is no excuse for this crap you can't even use the BS excuse that these guys have rival managers and promoters so politics is stopping the fight. They have the same advisor who doubles as their manager and promoter.

I guess we'll see, as Thurman has already said he wants Garcia after porter, so I don't know how long they'RE going to be "passing around leftovers."

Also, Harmon manages these guys, he doesn't force them to fight certain guys. I've heard Thurman say Spence needs to wait his turn like he had too...and I've heard Garcia's dad say there's no point in fight tough fights, when he can get paid fighting lesser fighters, so like I said, none of them are trying to fight Spence...

After the Algieri fight, Spence made it clear he wanted Brook next, or he'd fight in an eliminator to make sure he would become Brook's mando....so IDK if you're blaming Spence here, or Haymon, but I don't see your point.

And if your point is that it's a pointless eliminator because Brook may vacate...then isn't that Brook's fault? If Garcia is fighting the winner of Thurman/Porter, then what does Brook gain by vacating, other than avoiding Spence?

[DreamerUSA]

My larger problem is Haymon has too many guys who are all not fighting each other instead are passing around their left overs. Instead of fighting Thurman/Porter he is going to fight Thurmans left overs in Bundu? Instead of fighting Khan he fights Khan's left over in Algieri. Instead of Thurman fighting Khan last year Thurman fights Khan's left over in Collazo. Instead of Danny fighting Thurman/Porter he fights Porters left over in Paulie and Thurman's left overs in Guerrero.

Nobody else see's a problem with all these guys at the same weight and instead of fighting each other they just keep fighting the same bums they each beat the year before in noncompetitive fights? Spence don't need no more seasoning he's 26, long amateur background. Fighters younger, less experienced have been fighting better caliber opponents for years. Yet it's crazy for us to expect a top fighter like Spence be allowed to fight just 1 top 10 caliber fighter when he's with Haymon and he owns all the belts and top fighters?

A few things.

1. Spence started boxing late.

2. He only had like 50 or 60 amatuer fights. So no he does'nt have an extensive amatuer background.

3. People rush fighters too much these days and wonder why not many fighters have long world title reigns. The answer is a lack of ring expirience and I just don't mean the number of fights. I'm talking being in there with guys who come to win and give you different looks/styles. Spence basicly fought 19 guys who were there to get their ass kicked and one guy who was there to win but fought in a way that could'nt of been more tailor made for Spence than if someone was trying to make it easy for him.

4. Fighters need to be brought along properly and throwing Spence straight in with Thurman or Brook right now is just dumb.

[bigdunny1]

I guess we'll see, as Thurman has already said he wants Garcia after porter, so I don't know how long they'RE going to be "passing around leftovers."

Also, Harmon manages these guys, he doesn't force them to fight certain guys. I've heard Thurman say Spence needs to wait his turn like he had too...and I've heard Garcia's dad say there's no point in fight tough fights, when he can get paid fighting lesser fighters, so like I said, none of them are trying to fight Spence...

After the Algieri fight, Spence made it clear he wanted Brook next, or he'd fight in an eliminator to make sure he would become Brook's mando....so IDK if you're blaming Spence here, or Haymon, but I don't see your point.

And if your point is that it's a pointless eliminator because Brook may vacate...then isn't that Brook's fault? If Garcia is fighting the winner of Thurman/Porter, then what does Brook gain by vacating, other than avoiding Spence?

Haymon doesn't talk to the media so these fighters are forced to jump on the sword and make excuses why the fights are happening. What do you want them to say Haymon won't let me and throw their boss under the bus? Thurman said every fight he get's slid a list of a couple fighters to choose from. Haymon chooses that list and he has to pick from it. And specifically Thurman after getting heavy criticism said for the Collazo fight I got passed a list with just one name Collazo so that's why I am fighting him. Spence is calling out Brook because Haymon is the one who mapped out that path for the IBF title that brook has. But why is that needed? Again Haymon fighters Danny and Thurman own the other belts. Spence don't need any eliminator for a title shot just Haymon's blessing. Hell if the fighters were TRULY the ones blocking this fight from happening then why didn't Haymon position Spence to make the fights needed to become the mando for Garcia's belt or Thurman's belt? Instead he set him on a path specifically for IBF belt held by a non Haymon champion. It's not rocket science he is keeping his top fighters away from each other or delaying it as long as possible. In the meantime they passing around each other left overs.