David Haye gets #3 ranking with IBF!

[New England]

Well, pragmatically we aren't going to get a totally fair system. Haye has proved himself in the past and is a better fighter than everyone else on that list, Parker included imo. I think the problem you have is that you put too much stock in the belts. The belt means absolutely nada. There are too many of them to worry about who is ranked where. Anthony Joshua, a man who has only beat absolute scrubs, is a champion if you put any stock in the belts. He beat Charles Martin to get there, a man whose opponents were even worse than Haye's recent ones and a man who has done absolutely nothing in his whole career. Time to accept that there isn't any fairness in boxing. Everybody knows the real champion is the man who the IBF stripped anyway so all this is irrelevant.

i put zero stock into the belts personally. you are reading my posts all wrong, or haven't paid enough attention into my posts in the past to be able to evaluate how i feel about alphabet belts [belts of different shapes and colors.]

but it is a reality that they're a significant factor in the promotion of lower tier fights, and particularly fights at american casinos.


the "fairest" system is an objective system by which fighters are ranked, and then the rankings evolve based on the results of fights. you can't do away with that completely because alphabets aren't capable of being impartial. that's where TBRB, ring mag, ESPN, try to jump in. again, they're not perfect, but we can't abandon ranking fighters just because of the sanctioning belts.

[Robbie Barrett]

this is far too subjective. basically, by this criteria, fighters should get fights based on who the sanctioning bodies believe to be the most worthy. i'm not willing to let them do that!


ranking systems don't have to suck. they could be relatively objective criteria, or at least could very easily be more objective than they are.

they suck because you have to pay / [generate] money to get ranked. haye beat a guy who wasn't even in the top 50, from what i can tell. before that he beat de mori, a guy who isn't evne in the top 100. that shouldn't, in a world that tries to be objective and fair, happen.

De Mori was #10 in the WBA rankings.

[stefl14]

i put zero stock into the belts personally. you are reading my posts all wrong, or haven't paid enough attention into my posts in the past to be able to evaluate how i feel about alphabet belts [belts of different shapes and colors.]

but it is a reality that they're a significant factor in the promotion of lower tier fights, and particularly fights at american casinos.

Personally, I've gotten pissed off with worrying about the corruption in rankings so I look for the silver lining. The way I see it, Joshua vs Haye is infinitely better than, for example, Joshua vs Pulev, even though the latter may be more deserving of the ranking based on recent opponents.

[New England]

De Mori was #10 in the WBA rankings.

he's not in the top 100 according to the boxrec, which, according to the managers i used to deal with who had to consider the "rankings" of fighters outside of the conventional top 10, is what it used. boxrec is a computer generated ranking system, so it isn't perfect, but it's the only way you can find an objective ranking criteria for fighters who may be ranked outside of the top 100.

de mori was nowhere near being one of the 10 best HW in the world. he was possibly scouted as a haye opponent, and ranked for the purpose of furthering haye's career. that's how sanctioning bodies operate. they're not objective, altruistic organizations.

[Robbie Barrett]

he's not in the top 100 according to the boxrec, which, according to the managers i used to deal with who had to consider the "rankings" of fighters outside of the conventional top 10, is what it used. boxrec is a computer generated ranking system, so it isn't perfect, but it's the only way you can find an objective ranking criteria for fighters who may be ranked outside of the top 100.

de mori was nowhere near being one of the 10 best HW in the world. he was possibly scouted as a haye opponent, and ranked for the purpose of furthering haye's career. that's how sanctioning bodies operate. they're not objective, altruistic organizations.

Was he before the fight? Haye's last opponent was #23 on Boxrec before the fight i believe.

[b00g13man]

Meh.........

[Weltschmerz]

Haye is undeserving so nothing new here but it isn't surprising to see this, he's had these high rankings previously while being very inactive. Marketability goes a long way and he sells tickets, believe it or not.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

i see david price has entered the rankings too... more cannon fodder for joshua

Haye vs Price in an eliminator for Joshua and everybody gets rich...

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

he's not in the top 100 according to the boxrec, which, according to the managers i used to deal with who had to consider the "rankings" of fighters outside of the conventional top 10, is what it used. boxrec is a computer generated ranking system, so it isn't perfect, but it's the only way you can find an objective ranking criteria for fighters who may be ranked outside of the top 100.

de mori was nowhere near being one of the 10 best HW in the world. he was possibly scouted as a haye opponent, and ranked for the purpose of furthering haye's career. that's how sanctioning bodies operate. they're not objective, altruistic organizations.

This is how Haye has always operated at heavyweight. He looks for an easy opponent he can defend in some way and goes from there. Monte Barrett was top 10 in some set of rankings, "the public demanded" Harrison, De Mori was ranked by one organisation, Gjergjaj had a long unbeaten record etc. He's currently in the process of building the "public demand" narrative for Briggs or Bellew.

My thinking is that he's been offered a Joshua fight next year. Right now he's just trying to make money until he gets there.

[alexguiness]

Because Joshua has the belt, and him v Joshua is the big fight next summer. IBF want some of that stadium fight money.

Yep that's got to be the only reason.

The IBF has always been the ugly sister, now she might get a date to the prom...