Comments Thread For: Freddie Roach Would Reject Floyd Mayweather Training Approach

[BillyBoxing]

Roy is still taking risks, and has been since Tarver tore that a$$ up! I wish he would STOP TAKING RISKS! I understand your appreciation for Roy because he was THE MAN for a long time! I just think that in the game of "hit and not get hit," Floyd was better. Those images of Roy being KO'd by Tarver and Johnson have blurred my vision!

I understand, yall musta forgot! lol

Roy made a mistake draining his ass from HW 193 pounds if I remember to LHW 175 pounds.

Then got koed, and never was the same.

Roy in his prime was unbeatable, unmatchable, nobody came close to beat him, unlike Floyd, who lost to Castillo according to many people.

I mean, Roy never struggled, even his fight vs Toney was a shut out, and we talk about Toney, not ****ing Zab Judah.

I think prime for prime Roy is above.

[BillyBoxing]

If he's the best student of the game, wouldn't that make him a boxing genius?

Mayweather is a boxing savant. And what made Ali a boxing genius, the 'rope a dope'?

Everything man, everything, the rope a dope included.

Ali had his style and bring a lot to boxing, and made boxing have an evolution, Floyd didn't and won't IMO, except from a business point.

And dude beat guys like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Floyd can only dream about bragging about wins of this quality.

His attitude, his game plans, his style, his poetry, trash talk Ali was a Genius yes.

[WesternChamp]

just out of curiosity, but what made roach thinks floyd wants to ask him if roach can be his trainer??? did i miss something here? if my memory serves me right, floyd is still cool with his pops and uncle, so why would he wanna ask roach to train him?

[Bronx2245]

I understand, yall musta forgot! lol

Roy made a mistake draining his ass from HW 193 pounds if I remember to LHW 175 pounds.

Then got koed, and never was the same.

Roy in his prime was unbeatable, unmatchable, nobody came close to beat him, unlike Floyd, who lost to Castillo according to many people.

I mean, Roy never struggled, even his fight vs Toney was a shut out, and we talk about Toney, not ****ing Zab Judah.

I think prime for prime Roy is above.

You're probably right, but Floyd was very special:

In ESPN The Magazine’s upcoming “Analytics Issue” which hits shelves on March 5, writer Igor Guryashkin breaks down Floyd’s numbers, and what he finds is staggering.

Using CompuBox punch statistics, Guryashkin found that Floyd bests all current fighters with a connect percentage of 46%. In fact, only boxing greats Joe Louis and Lennox Lewis hold an advantage over him with a small 2% edge. Regarding his opposition’s connect percentages, Floyd is utterly dominant. In his story, Guryashkin writes “…perhaps even more impressive is Mayweather’s opponents connect percentage: 16%, the lowest ever recorded in CompuBox’s 4,000-fight database. The astronomical 30% difference between the two stats stands atop history’s pugilistic pantheon.”

http://www.*************.com/columns...t-of-them-all/

[Bronx2245]

I understand, yall musta forgot! lol

Roy made a mistake draining his ass from HW 193 pounds if I remember to LHW 175 pounds.

Then got koed, and never was the same.

Roy in his prime was unbeatable, unmatchable, nobody came close to beat him, unlike Floyd, who lost to Castillo according to many people.

I mean, Roy never struggled, even his fight vs Toney was a shut out, and we talk about Toney, not ****ing Zab Judah.

I think prime for prime Roy is above.

May 3, 2012
Igor Guryashkin

"Hit and don't get hit," goes the old adage in boxing. And from a statistical perspective, at least, it seems no one is better at living up to that credo than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

According to Bob Canobbio, owner and founder of CompuBox -- a computerized scoring system that counts every punch a boxer throws and lands -- Mayweather's average connect rate of 46 percent, compiled during his past nine fights (a "prime" designated by CompuBox), ranks as the best among current active fighters...

More impressive than Mayweather's own connect percentage is that of Floyd's opponents against him. They land a mere 16 percent of punches thrown, the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database.

While most of boxing's cognoscenti debate who should be crowned pound-for-pound king, few would question Mayweather's dominance as the era's best defensive fighter. That's an important distinction. Because although all fighters hit as often as they're physically able, the best boxers connect often and avoid being hit too frequently.

Given that, what can we surmise about Mayweather's station using the CompuBox data? Subtract the average connect percentage of Mayweather's opponents from Mayweather's own hit rate during that designated prime, and the numbers reveal an enormous chasm between Floyd and today's other top fighters.

With a plus/minus connect percentage rating of plus-30 percent, Mayweather is at least twice as effective in the hit-and-don't-get-hit game as any of his contemporaries. Ward, who ranks fifth in Dan Rafael's March pound-for-pound rankings, is next best behind Mayweather with a plus-15 percent differential...

Statistically speaking, Mayweather clearly reigns supreme over his contemporaries. But he also stacks up very well against history's pugilistic pantheon.

CompuBox stats suggest Mayweather sits high atop a pile of fighters whose numbers were measured during their designated primes, tabulated using ringside figures and fight films. In a plus/minus comparison, greats such as Marvin Hagler (plus-17 percent) and Sugar Ray Leonard (plus-13 percent) don't come close. Roberto Duran (plus-8 percent), Thomas Hearns (plus-6 percent) and Muhammad Ali (plus-4 percent) fall short, too.

Only heavyweight great Joe Louis, at plus-26 percent, approached Mayweather's peak. And the one area, at least for this particular analysis, in which Mayweather had competition was connect percentage, where Louis and fellow former heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis edged him by 2 percent.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-boxing-greats

[Gary Coleman]

Very refreshing to hear this level of respect from legend to legend.

I don't think it was ever a secret how highly Freddie regards Floyd as a fighter.

[PivotandRoll]

Depending the style or if you're "safety first" or wanting to destroy your opponents.

I thought we're talking about all reflexes, not only defense?

Roy has a whole different KO percentage than Floyd, he took more risks in his career.

Here shines the double standard. Both Floyd and Roy moved up 5 divisions. Who did Roy knockout at CW or HW??? Not to mention the level of competition and the fact Roy was KO'd at a age younger than Floyd is now.

[PivotandRoll]

Very refreshing to hear this level of respect from legend to legend.

I don't think it was ever a secret how highly Freddie regards Floyd as a fighter.

Yes, his whole gameplan and belief of Manny beating Floyd was always "his legs aren't the same they used to be" that's respect.

[Manic Shot]

Floyd is like a good car dealer, he can sell Kia for the price of BMW...that's all!

[DeadLikeMe]

Floyd is like a good car dealer, he can sell Kia for the price of BMW...that's all!

This is the second time you posted that in this thread. The real irony is one of the fighters being discussed in this thread literally does sell KIAs now.