Comments Thread For: Freddie Roach Would Reject Floyd Mayweather Training Approach

[Manic Shot]

Floyd is like a good car dealer, he can sell Kia for the price of BMW...that's all!

[Kilrain]

I didn't think Roach had the kind of humility any more to make these statements. Good to hear. He's right, there's really nothing Roach or anyone else can teach Floyd about boxing. He makes great fighters look average. The guy's in a league of his own, has been for years.

[LacedUp]

Yeah , Floyd's a huge fan of the sport. A shame when you have to watch him pretend to not know a fighters name. It's clear he's very plugged in.

Yeah that's super cringey.

[BillyBoxing]

Floyd has the best reflexes of any boxer I've ever seen. That's definitely his God-given talent. However, I think Roach is throwing shade on Roger and Floyd Sr. His father and uncle are definitely responsible for the polished, finished product, even though God gave them plenty to work with!

He doesn't come close to a prime Roy Jones Jr in terms of having quick reflexes IMO.

Roy was just an "Alien", Floyd is a gifted athletes but looks more like a "human" who mastered boxing skills IMO.

The main thing with Floyd is boxing for him is like walking/breathing for us, he fought like he didn't have to think, pretty much natural, dude has been sparring with some guys like Withtaker and the Mayweathers bros since being a kid.

Floyd is a known gym rat, and has been a gym rat since he was a kid.

Others fighters are more predictable, Pacquiao is more predictable, his boxing is more "acted" while Floyd's boxing is more "natural".

Same for basketball, how many talented players picked basketball +16 years old? Except some giant freacks...

Roach also was obviously roasting Roger and Senior.

[SugarRayCurtain]

Floyd knows better when hes training himself, he can pull of moves that 99% of boxers cannot
But if you told Floyd to train another fighter with different strengths and weaknesses than I dont think he'd be the best trainer.
Freddie can help almost all fighters improve from all different styles

So no I wouldnt say Floyd knows more about boxing than Roach, he just knows more about boxing when it comes down to his own capabilities.

[Bronx2245]

He doesn't come close to a prime Roy Jones Jr in terms of having quick reflexes IMO.

Roy was just an "Alien", Floyd is a gifted athletes but looks more like a "human" who mastered boxing skills IMO.

The main thing with Floyd is boxing for him is like walking/breathing for us, he fought like he didn't have to think, pretty much natural, dude has been sparring with some guys like Withtaker and the Mayweathers bros since being a kid.

Floyd is a known gym rat, and has been a gym rat since he was a kid.

Others fighters are more predictable, Pacquiao is more predictable, his boxing is more "acted" while Floyd's boxing is more "natural".

Same for basketball, how many talented players picked basketball +16 years old? Except some giant freacks...

Roach also was obviously roasting Roger and Senior.

I gotta give props to RJJ and Pernell Whitaker, but to me Floyd did it better. His opponents connect rate was historically low, which is why I give the edge to Floyd, but not by a large margin.

[BillyBoxing]

Genius is learning what others do and then you taking it to the next level. James Toney was great with the roll but he didnt take it to the next level, in fact i love watching Toney doing the roll. But Mayweather took his to another level, he learnt from watching others and then implement his own way into it successfully.

I disagree about Floyd being better with the roll than James.

James used it more and as good IMO.

The thing with Floyd's defense, is dude is great with the roll but also had an AMAZING footwork.

James main problem was he tends to fight cement footed.

You can watch some Locche fights, Pernell.
Mayweather didn't mastered it better than those guys, let alone creating this style.

I'm from those guys who think Floyd didn't fight great fighters in their prime and has "unexposed holes" in his game (I don't think Chico was a great fighter, a good one though), and Pernell woulda maybe schooled Floyd.

Mayweather was a fully complete fighter, the most complete fighter of the 2 last decades.

And being a Genius is creating, Ali created a whole style.

Floyd didn't create a style, he mastered the style of his father and uncle, but unlike them, he also was a gifted athletes with good reflexes and blazing speed.

Mayweather IMO is a marketing genius, and a boxing master, he knows the game, he's a fan of the game, and picked a lot from everybody.

[BillyBoxing]

I gotta give props to RJJ and Pernell Whitaker, but to me Floyd did it better. His opponents connect rate was historically low, which is why I give the edge to Floyd, but not by a large margin.

Depending the style or if you're "safety first" or wanting to destroy your opponents.

I thought we're talking about all reflexes, not only defense?

Roy has a whole different KO percentage than Floyd, he took more risks in his career.

[Bronx2245]

Depending the style or if you're "safety first" or wanting to destroy your opponents.

I thought we're talking about all reflexes, not only defense?

Roy has a whole different KO percentage than Floyd, he took more risks in his career.

Roy is still taking risks, and has been since Tarver tore that a$$ up! I wish he would STOP TAKING RISKS! I understand your appreciation for Roy because he was THE MAN for a long time! I just think that in the game of "hit and not get hit," Floyd was better. Those images of Roy being KO'd by Tarver and Johnson have blurred my vision!

[sirron000]

Being a Genius is creating, Ali was a Boxing Genius. Floyd more of a Marketing Genius IMO.

Mayweather didn't create sht, he learned (shoulder roll, slick attitude, countering) from other people (basically what Roach stated), mostly his uncle and father, then the fighters surrounding the gym/family.

Mayweather also was a gifted athlete with blazing speed, a hard head/chin and pop (under 140 lbs).

Agreed about Mayweather being the best adapter.

Mayweather the best student of the game, then mastered all of his tricks.

He's a boxing kid, just like Ward and Roy Jones, also boxer/trainer sons.

Those profiles are the most fondamentaly sound fighters.

Those guys once they could walk laced up gloves and started some sparring.

What you learn as a kid prints a lot more in your head.

Pretty much different than guys like Pacquiao or Hopkins who picked boxing as teenagers or young men but were born fighters due to their tough life.

If he's the best student of the game, wouldn't that make him a boxing genius?

Mayweather is a boxing savant. And what made Ali a boxing genius, the 'rope a dope'?