Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[travestyny]

As you can read my above post, others have come back sooner than you expect for both full thickness tear or other injuries to the shoulder. While others take longer.



Here is another one. I even left in the quote that there were anchors just so you know ..... So like I said, all I needed to do is show people that what Manny did is not impossible plus what you have is just speculation from a non-expert Floyd fan.


"I recently had arthroscopic surgery on my dominant shoulder, with the following:
1. Labrum Tear SLAP Lesion
2. Full thickness tear to supraspinatus tendon.

Procedures performed were debridement, repair of Labrum and Rotator Cuff with sutures/anchors and subacromial decompression.

My questions are: which of the 2 injuries would be considered "worse", absent the other injury and when can I expect to return to work w/o restrictions with aggressive Physical Therapy? (I am a Firefighter for a large, busy city department)"

RESPONSE: ..... both are fairly significant, require surgery for a full recovery, and have a fairly significant recovery time. [/B]

Each physician is different with protocols for returning to activities, but because of the demanding nature of your job, I would probably put your full unrestricted return somewhere around 4-6 months after surgery. If you were my patient, that would be the timeline I would be giving you."

Similar amount of time given as Kevin Love who you tried to down play because they said 4-6 months.

So I gave you not one but several examples now. Is this always the case? Nope but as Manny's doctor said, Manny had quite a few things going for him.





Right ... once again, the below proves that you do not understand the context of the response or what Manny meant by his response. It was in response to Manny not going to see his doctor and PT for rehab in LA, USA as scheduled:

Here is a quote that explains it. Manny did self rehab and is a boxer who can handle this sort of thing:
"But Arum has nothing to worry about (regarding) my injury. I’m doing the rehab myself. I’m recovering faster than expected.”








So just like you quoted from the horses mouth but got that wrong, you presented a picture of Manny as evidence and got that wrong, you did it here...... speculate and then think you are right and everyone who says differently is idiotic, embarrassing and so on.

Remember that you have no evidence that Manny did anything wrong. You are just reading "swimming" and thinking that Manny was doing some kind of Olympic style training. This is getting to be embarrassing!

Explain to us all how you have nothing but are so convinced about Manny with the above post? Just like everything else, you are just counting on that Manny cannot respond to your speculation.

If Manny could, he would have told you that the picture was taken BEFORE the surgery, he did rehab but self rehab and whatever he meant by swimming and so on. Keep on hanging by this speculation with no direct evidence.

Dude., you are being an idiot. None of these guys are returning early. If you would go look at the 11 links I gave you about this surgery, you would know that. Go look at it yourself. Then keep crying.

Here: http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Make sure you pay special attention to what it says about swimming, bro. Oh yea, and show me the videos of people rehabbing their shoulder in the ocean. Thanks.

[ADP02]

Dude., you are being an idiot. None of these guys are returning early. If you would go look at the 11 links I gave you about this surgery, you would know that. Go look at it yourself. Then keep crying.

Here: http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Make sure you pay special attention to what it says about swimming, bro. Oh yea, and show me the videos of people rehabbing their shoulder in the ocean. Thanks.

I paid special attention and still did not see anything that Manny did was wrong. Unless you have a picture of Manny doing what he was not supposed to do, YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!!

You think that Manny did it the wrong way. WHY??????
I can present to you a video of Manny who was swimming but guess what? There was nothing wrong with what he did, right? Now we BOTH do not know exactly what he did but whatever he did, it helped him.
Even Teddy Atlas believes!!!

Manny said he did self rehab. You know what that means? He was doing rehab that complimented his injury not something that would put him back under the knife. How do I know? Because he came back 1 year later and beat Bradley.


Full thickness tear: I gave you enough examples of people who said they recovered earlier than expected and or sooner than you keep on telling us is the case. Reason is like I told you. Not everyone heals at the same rate and not every injury is the same. If Manny would have said what others have said, you would have called all of them liars. Go check out studies that prove my point. I already gave you examples that were captured in studies. Someone with a larger tear can sometimes heal quicker than someone with a smaller tear. You cannot do what you did. You started wrong in your assessment. I do not blame you because you are no expert but its still the case.

What Manny did was all possible. I only read Floyd internet doctors say differently. That's it.

[travestyny]

I paid special attention and still did not see anything that Manny did was wrong. Unless you have a picture of Manny doing what he was not supposed to do, YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!!

You think that Manny did it the wrong way. WHY??????
I can present to you a video of Manny who was swimming but guess what? There was nothing wrong with what he did, right? Now we BOTH do not know exactly what he did but whatever he did, it helped him.
Even Teddy Atlas believes!!!

Manny said he did self rehab. You know what that means? He was doing rehab that complimented his injury not something that would put him back under the knife. How do I know? Because he came back 1 year later and beat Bradley.


Full thickness tear: I gave you enough examples of people who said they recovered earlier than expected and or sooner than you keep on telling us is the case. Reason is like I told you. Not everyone heals at the same rate and not every injury is the same. If Manny would have said what others have said, you would have called all of them liars. Go check out studies that prove my point. I already gave you examples that were captured in studies. Someone with a larger tear can sometimes heal quicker than someone with a smaller tear. You cannot do what you did. You started wrong in your assessment. I do not blame you because you are no expert but its still the case.

What Manny did was all possible. I only read Floyd internet doctors say differently. That's it.

Did you read anything?

1. The recovery time is 4 - 6 months. Even articles about Manny said 4-6 months, and more time added on after for specific boxing training. If you would read, you would know that. Of course, that also depends on DOING YOUR REHAB. Here. This is from one of your videos:

“If I can offer one piece of advice it would be to really, religiously follow the physical rehabilitation protocol. That without a doubt helped me the most. And that’s really all I can say. “

Question: Did Manny see a doctor and properly rehab in the first 3 months? Lol.

2. That recovery time does NOT mention swimming which is terrible for recovery at that stage, especially in the ocean. It does NOT include playing basketball, which is terrible for your rotator cuff, especially at that stage. Look at the info about swimming and throwing.

3. Stop speculating about what he did. He told you what he did. He didn't see a doctor, he didn't do rehab. He swam. If you don't believe him then you believe he is lying. So...is he lying?

Thanks for playing. You lost already. Accept the poll and move on. I'm bored of this now.

[DinoCop]

coward or not, he still schooled pac. in 10 years no one will care about the pac-tard arguements.

remember when pac-tards called marquez a whinny *****? lol pac-tards whine 10000000000000 times more lol.

Marquez really won 2nd nad 3rd though...

[bambam182]

Marquez really won 2nd nad 3rd though...

i agree with you.

[ADP02]

Did you read anything?

1. The recovery time is 4 - 6 months. Even articles about Manny said 4-6 months, and more time added on after for specific boxing training. If you would read, you would know that. Of course, that also depends on DOING YOUR REHAB. Here. This is from one of your videos:

“If I can offer one piece of advice it would be to really, religiously follow the physical rehabilitation protocol. That without a doubt helped me the most. And that’s really all I can say. “

Question: Did Manny see a doctor and properly rehab in the first 3 months? Lol.

2. That recovery time does NOT mention swimming which is terrible for recovery at that stage, especially in the ocean. It does NOT include playing basketball, which is terrible for your rotator cuff, especially at that stage. Look at the info about swimming and throwing.

3. Stop speculating about what he did. He told you what he did. He didn't see a doctor, he didn't do rehab. He swam. If you don't believe him then you believe he is lying. So...is he lying?

Thanks for playing. You lost already. Accept the poll and move on. I'm bored of this now.

1. What are you getting at? Again, what Manny did worked. That is all that you need to know. Roach said he had some passive rehab and Manny said he did his own rehab. Not possible you say? That would be wrong if that is what you are thinking.


"http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/shoulder/repair-of-rotator-cuff-tears.html


It is often most effective for the patient to carry out their own exercises so that they are done frequently effectively and comfortably. Usually a physical therapist or the surgeon instructs the patient in the exercise program and advances it at a rate that is comfortable for the patient.

Can rehabilitation be done at home?

In general the exercises are best performed by the patient at home. Occasional visits to the surgeon or therapist may be useful to check the progress and to review the program."


SELF REHAB - I'm sure they gave Manny a program to follow or he got one to follow. My dad had one which he followed AT HOME. I had one too but for something relatively minor (no surgery)and followed it AT HOME!



2. Like I told you, what Manny did at sea, only Manny knows since we have no evidence. Right? Manny also did self rehab. Again, what Manny did worked.

You keep on saying that swimming is bad but is swimming with your fins bad? Nope. Swimming with your legs and possibly doing rehab exercises with your arms as the video that I showed you did? Nope. So as you can see, what your 11 documents call swimming is not the same thing. I have been telling you this since DAY 1.

What Manny did with his basketball can be done.
1) I had even showed you a study that had one guy take close to 1 year to recover but was back playing basketball in 12 weeks.
2) Others had similar timeframes for their unrestricted activities.
3) Manny throws left handed and was operated on the right shoulder!!!






3. Not speculating, you are. The only video that we have of Manny swimming was not impossible. Right? or am I speculating?

So if Manny can use his fins then we are all good! His rehab could have been in part in the water and in part on land, as one would expect. But we do not know the details.

I see you already forgot that Manny said he did SELF REHAB!!!

BTW - Lots of nice calm waters to go to at sea in the Philippines. There are over 7000 islands that are surrounded by water. I've been there .....



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[travestyny]

1. What are you getting at? Again, what Manny did worked. That is all that you need to know. Roach said he had some passive rehab and Manny said he did his own rehab. Not possible you say? That would be wrong if that is what you are thinking.


"http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/shoulder/repair-of-rotator-cuff-tears.html


It is often most effective for the patient to carry out their own exercises so that they are done frequently effectively and comfortably. Usually a physical therapist or the surgeon instructs the patient in the exercise program and advances it at a rate that is comfortable for the patient.

Can rehabilitation be done at home?

In general the exercises are best performed by the patient at home. Occasional visits to the surgeon or therapist may be useful to check the progress and to review the program."


SELF REHAB - I'm sure they gave Manny a program to follow or he got one to follow. My dad had one which he followed AT HOME. I had one too but for something relatively minor (no surgery)and followed it AT HOME!



2. Like I told you, what Manny did at sea, only Manny knows since we have no evidence. Right? Manny also did self rehab. Again, what Manny did worked.

You keep on saying that swimming is bad but is swimming with your fins bad? Nope. Swimming with your legs and possibly doing rehab exercises with your arms as the video that I showed you did? Nope. So as you can see, what your 11 documents call swimming is not the same thing. I have been telling you this since DAY 1.

What Manny did with his basketball can be done.
1) I had even showed you a study that had one guy take close to 1 year to recover but was back playing basketball in 12 weeks.
2) Others had similar timeframes for their unrestricted activities.
3) Manny throws left handed and was operated on the right shoulder!!!






3. Not speculating, you are. The only video that we have of Manny swimming was not impossible. Right? or am I speculating?

So if Manny can use his fins then we are all good! His rehab could have been in part in the water and in part on land, as one would expect. But we do not know the details.

I see you already forgot that Manny said he did SELF REHAB!!!

BTW - Lots of nice calm waters to go to at sea in the Philippines. There are over 7000 islands that are surrounded by water. I've been there .....



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Please give up.

1. He said "I didn't see a doctor. I didn't do rehab." Do you believe he was lying? Yes or no?

2. Your study was about a 13 year old kid. Was it a full thickness rotator cuff tear? Asked you before. You didn't answer.

3. You aren't the only person who has been to the phils. I live in Asia. Been there plenty of times.

4. Again. Give up. He did no rehab in the first 3 months according to his own damn mouth. ITS A DIRECT QUOTATION. Go away man. Told you I have no desire to keep this going. We did a poll. You lost. It's done.

[PACnPBFsuck]

[ADP02]

Please give up.

1. He said "I didn't see a doctor. I didn't do rehab." Do you believe he was lying? Yes or no?

2. Your study was about a 13 year old kid. Was it a full thickness rotator cuff tear? Asked you before. You didn't answer.

3. You aren't the only person who has been to the phils. I live in Asia. Been there plenty of times.

4. Again. Give up. He did no rehab in the first 3 months according to his own damn mouth. ITS A DIRECT QUOTATION. Go away man. Told you I have no desire to keep this going. We did a poll. You lost. It's done.

He didn't go to see the doctor nor the PT in LA, CA, USA (he was scheduled). So yes, everyone is in agreement with that.

BUT you cannot pick and chose like you do what Manny said. Manny said that he did self-rehab.


I presented several studies and so on where the person came back from their injury and or did an activity at what YOU call an impossible timeline. Here is another one where by month 4, with a full thickness tear she recovered. Yet you are making a big deal about Manny throwing a basketball with his uninjured arm.


"http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/440101_3

MRI showed a full-thickness tear ... mobilized from inferior to superior and anatomically reattached to the humerus using the
superior fibers as a guide. Suture anchors were used for the fixation.

The patient was then placed in a shoulder immobilizer and referred to physical therapy. For the first month after surgery, the patient was instructed to perform pendulum and passive pulley exercises with no external rotation beyond midline. She began isometric exercises at week 4, and strengthening exercises at week 6. Four months after the operation she recovered full active range of motion (equal to the left side). Strength assessment showed equal strength in the right and left shoulders in all planes including the subscapularis lift-off test."



So if you have been there then you would know that there are plenty of areas where Manny can go and do his thing.



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[travestyny]

He didn't go to see the doctor nor the PT in LA, CA, USA. So yes, everyone is in agreement with that.

BUT you cannot pick and chose like you do what Manny said. Manny said that he did self-rehab.


I presented several studies and so on where the person came back from their injury at what YOU call an impossible timeline. Here is another one where by month 4, with a full thickness tear she recovered. Yet you are making a big deal about Manny throwing a basketball with his uninjured arm.


"http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/440101_3

MRI showed a full-thickness tear ... mobilized from inferior to superior and anatomically reattached to the humerus using the
superior fibers as a guide. Suture anchors were used for the fixation.

The patient was then placed in a shoulder immobilizer and referred to physical therapy. For the first month after surgery, the patient was instructed to perform pendulum and passive pulley exercises with no external rotation beyond midline. She began isometric exercises at week 4, and strengthening exercises at week 6. Four months after the operation she recovered full active range of motion (equal to the left side). Strength assessment showed equal strength in the right and left shoulders in all planes including the subscapularis lift-off test."



So if you have been there then you would know that there are plenty of areas where Manny can go and do his thing.

You just don't get it, do you?

1. YOU are picking and choosing. This is what he said:
"No problem, I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

So was he lying? Yes or no? Asked you plenty of times, but you won't answer.

2. It's you that doesn't understand the timeline. I told you to look at the websites I sent you. I even told you that it was initially reported that he would be rehabbing 4-6 months. That is NOT out of the ordinary!

Manny Pacquiao will undergo surgery on his right shoulder for a rotator cuff tear this week on LA and be out 4-6 months, his advisor reports

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2453917-manny-pacquiao-injury-update-pac-man-to-undergo-surgery-for-tear-in-shoulder

The thing is, that does NOT account for swimming well before that time. It also doesn't account for hoisting up 3 pointers at 3 months. Look at what the surgeon said himself:

"Our goals for this early phase are for the repair to settle and to avoid damaging the suture tendon portion of the repair. We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; then we go for full ROM and begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.”

Begin strengthening at 3 months. Emphasis on begin! How was he saying he is healed and hoisting 3's? How was he swimming. Yes, Swimming. According to his own damn mouth. He said it's all he did.

Do you understand now? Good. Now drop it!