Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[Zaroku]

and people heard that Manny wanted pain killers for the shoulder prior to the fight. NSAC said this. Manny's renowned doctor confirmed as well. Manny's team said that it was brought up but the cameras didn't pick it up.


Floyd said: "I tore my rotator cuff"
Floyd's physician said: Diagnosed a strained rotator cuff

We agree that there are many things that are not picked up. But, Floyd's shoulder was an issue that was picked up in the corner.

You guys post his dad saying your fighting scared son, you know they are trying to give him the win. Or something like that?

Post Castillo fight, Floyd mentioned it and got booed.

Max Kellerman in PAC's post fight interview wasn't stopping PAC from bringing up his shoulder injury. PAC failed to check a box on a firm he filled out many times before. Let's say someone else filled it out for him, but PAC signed it. Right?

Try that excuse if you default on a loan in the U.S. You signed it, you are on the hook. End of Story.

[ADP02]

Exactly. So his form of physical therapy was....swimming in the ocean? Let me make this real easy, since you are struggling to understand.

1. What do these statements mean? I really want you to answer. Stop ducking it and answer.

A. I never did rehab.
B. ALL I DID was to SWIM in the OCEAN.

Now, to the normal rational person, that means....he didn't do rehab. All he did was swim. Why is it that, for you, this means he did rehab and he did other things besides swim in the ocean? lol. Ridiculous, bro. You can't twist this up, but it's hysterical that you've been trying.



Already shut this down, but allow me to do so once again just to remind you:
Why was it stated that it didn't matter that Carmelo's injured shoulder was on his non-dominant side?

While the injury was on his nondominant side, both arms are necessary to the smooth flow of the shot.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...would-rehab-be

Seems like it's being explained that both arms are used in shooting a damn ball, right? The reason is because it involves moving your arm over your head and using force, especially Manny with his terrible form and with it being obvious that he involved both arms in the actually shot.

Now, you wanted to say that Carmelo had a different injury. Ok. He had a torn labrum. I told you to go do some research on labrum injuries. Did you ever do it? If you did, you'd know it's in effect the same type of injury as tearing a rotator cuff muscle. It is the ring of soft tissue around the shoulder joint. It's even referred to as rotator cuff surgery, when not being specific. It provides the same damn problems when torn. Don't believe me?

The symptoms of a tear in the shoulder socket rim are very similar to those of other shoulder injuries. Symptoms include

Pain, usually with overhead activities
Catching, locking, popping, or grinding
Occasional night pain or pain with daily activities
A sense of instability in the shoulder
Decreased range of motion
Loss of strength
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00426

In fact, the injuries are so similar that people assumed it's what Manny had. Don't believe me?:

Mayweather says media "overhyped" Pacquiao??? Tore labrum month before fight! Needed surgery day after! Floyd was SO LUCKY. Scared again. — Skip Bayless
https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/...78783433875461

Manny Pacquiao Next Fight: Salt Water Has Healed His Torn Labrum
http://www.sportsworldnews.com/artic...soon-video.htm

He thinks this whole Manny Pacquiao torn labrum saga is being fabricated — or at least exaggerated — in order to drum up interest in a rematch. —Referring to Colin Cowherd
http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/coli...er-pacquiao-2/

Pacquiao is also coming off a torn labrum, exacerbated against Mayweather.
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/2016...egacy-is-clear

So much for your "it's not what Manny had" excuse. Technically you are very right. But when it comes down to the effect...sorry. You lose. So as you can see, it doesn't matter that he is left handed when shooting muth****in 3's at 3 months from surgery. Got it????



You just wrote a whole bunch of shyt for no damn reason. I've answered you over and over. Is it my fault that you can't comprehend because you don't want to. There's no damn way he rehabbed his shoulder in 3 months by swimming. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE CLAIMS, SO STOP WITH THE BULL****. There's also no way he's hoisting 3's with a big kool-aid smile on his face at 3 months. Your studies aren't relevant, as I've explained to you a billion times.

Finally...YOU LOST THE DAMN POLL. The reason for the poll was so that we could stop arguing about this and see what a 3rd party, BoxingScene, believes. Well, you lost. GET THE **** OVER IT ALREADY. Your butt hurt is epic and you can't stop because....YOU ****ING LOST.

Now, in the event that you do reply (which I know you will), please begin with:

1. What does "I never did rehab" mean to you?
2. What does "ALL I DID WAS SWIM IN THE OCEAN" mean to you?
3. Show me videos of someone rehabbing from a torn rotator cuff IN THE OCEAN.
4. Tell me how, if he only did swimming, and only used fins, HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER?

I've been doneeee. Just stop already. YOU LOST! MOVE ON!

Because I have been in the situation as Manny and said the same as he did. I didn't go do rehab but I certainly did my own thing to improve my condition. I did my own exercises and routine. Am I speculating about manny? Nope. Manny said that he did "self rehab"

Swimming: You are still with this and have no evidence of any wrong doing? Well then you need to give it up. Why? because there are ways one can be in the water and not do anything that you are thinking. Manny went scuba diving at sea. That we know. Mann would not have to move his shoulders as what you and those 11 documents state. There is even a video of Manny scuba diving. You see anything that he did that was wrong? So then why are you saying otherwise? When scuba diving you are not swimming like you are at a pool. In a pool, you would use mostly your upper body but when scuba diving, you use your legs mostly.


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I keep on telling you that you cannot do such comparisons and say that Manny should be experiencing the same problems.
I told you that pain does not correlate to tear size. Similarly when discussing a tear and normal function of the shoulder. You introduced other factor on top of that.

"Rotator cuff tears can occur in concert with other shoulder problems, and frequently, the rotator cuff tear is an "innocent bystander" to a more symptomatic problem such as shoulder instability ..... In fact, there are people who have perfectly normal shoulder function despite the fact that they have a rotator cuff tear.... many problems in the shoulder can cause pain or weakness. These things include: instability—subtle dislocation of the shoulder joint"

As for your example, it was " injury was a torn labrum". "The glenoid labrum is a small ring of cartilage that sits between the upper arm and the cup of the shoulder. It adds stability and some measure of cushioning."


So you still have NOTHING!!!! Keep on trucking!!!

[ADP02]

We agree that there are many things that are not picked up. But, Floyd's shoulder was an issue that was picked up in the corner.

You guys post his dad saying your fighting scared son, you know they are trying to give him the win. Or something like that?

Post Castillo fight, Floyd mentioned it and got booed.

Max Kellerman in PAC's post fight interview wasn't stopping PAC from bringing up his shoulder injury. PAC failed to check a box on a firm he filled out many times before. Let's say someone else filled it out for him, but PAC signed it. Right?

Try that excuse if you default on a loan in the U.S. You signed it, you are on the hook. End of Story.

We are discussing the degree of an injury. Not that Manny nor Floyd had no injury. At least that is what is being discussed because I know some dumb dumbs think that there was no injury.

If it came up before the fight including meds listed on the pre-fight form and so on. So something was up. Doctor said it was a tear. Months later, other doctors examined. So we have several doctors now on Manny's side. All we have against Manny are Floyd internet doctors that are trying to explain something that is very complicated.

This is not about something as simple as dehydration on an athlete that lived at 146-150 for a freaking decade (Floyd's own words not mine) then come the day before the fight, requires a banned IV!!! You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that USADA bailed Floyd out.

[Zaroku]

We are discussing the degree of an injury. Not that Manny nor Floyd had no injury. At least that is what is being discussed because I know some dumb dumbs think that there was no injury.

If it came up before the fight including meds listed on the pre-fight form and so on. So something was up. Doctor said it was a tear. Months later, other doctors examined. So we have several doctors now on Manny's side. All we have against Manny are Floyd internet doctors that are trying to explain something that is very complicated.

This is not about something as simple as dehydration on an athlete that lived at 146-150 for a freaking decade (Floyd's own words not mine) then come the day before the fight, requires a banned IV!!! You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that USADA bailed Floyd out.

It is all connected. PAC failed to fill out a simple form he had seen many times before! Right? A form he was required to fill out by the NSAC, pre fight? Right? Yes or No?

I wonder if you can see how silly this all is, PAC lied one way or the other.

He signed the NSAC form.

This would be the controlling fact as to his shoulder pain. What Atlas says, or others need to be compared to that signed form. Signed under Penalty of Perjury right? Penalty of perjury?

Did PAC sign the form yes or no?
Floyd's IV cheating should not be conflated with PAC's lies.

[ADP02]

Let me interject.

The issue is not about knowing "all 100%" before offering an opinion as you claim. It's impossible for outsiders to gain the true motive behind people's actions, so knowing "100% of all the information out there" is not necessary to form a sound opinion.


The real issue is the opinions that you do offer is not based on 100% facts. This is completely different. And it's normal for people to offer misinformed opinions not matter their level of expertise. Sometimes you get wrong information.

What makes you stand out vs other posters is that it has been proven you offer these misinformed opinions REPEATEDLY AND INTENTIONALLY.


Misinformed opinions not based on 100% facts but opinions that contain speculation, rumors and lies. Whenever your opinion has been challenged for having incorrect or misleading statements, you go so far as to intentionally disregard factual information to support your stance.



example:

You stated Floyd's iv use was against Wada rules because a tue was obtained retroactively.

You were shown sections within WADA ISTUE document that proved the statement in which you based your opinion to be wrong.

Did you accept this fact? NO. You denied the meaning and significance of the word "or" , thus denying WADA ISTUE document - disregarding factual information - in order to uphold your originally misinformed opinion and said "floyd fans will have you believe or is an or is an or".


So it's no surprise that you continue your shenanigans despite being proven wrong on numerous occasions regarding mannys injury. Just stop acting like you aren't being biased.

WRONG!

Studies show that if you claim to be always around 146-150 for a decade and there is proof that Floyd's weight was ROCK SOLID from 30 days out to just before the fight and that just drinking about 600ml would put someone from mildly to FULLY rehydrated state in 45 minutes and that is what we saw Floyd do then the simple truth is that Floyd did not need an IV which was banned according to WADA.

You call the above misinformed facts but if you go check it out, they are valid statements that even USADA can agree to, except for when its Floyd.

The alternative was there. Floyd as we saw was able to drink. Floyd still had to eat and said "I ate a lot". So with the drinking and eating it was more than enough and no IV was required.

and do not forget, we had them waiting 6 hours to get a small sample of urine. You go check out studies on that too. Unless Floyd was truly severely dehydrated then he would have had enough urine .... but with so little weight differences, we know he was not more than very mildly dehydrated.


In comparison, Travestyny, had a picture of Manny "waving" a flag and called that cold hard FACTS/EVIDENCE.
a) How do you know that Manny was waving a flag? I asked but Travestyny had a silly answer for that.
b) The picture was a fake.


We have Floyd's vitals and other information on Floyd that are independent and truthful. That of Manny holding a flag was an internet joke.

[ADP02]

It is all connected. PAC failed to fill out a simple form he had seen many times before! Right? A form he was required to fill out by the NSAC, pre fight? Right? Yes or No?

I wonder if you can see how silly this all is, PAC lied one way or the other.

He signed the NSAC form.

This would be the controlling fact as to his shoulder pain. What Atlas says, or others need to be compared to that signed form. Signed under Penalty of Perjury right? Penalty of perjury?

Did PAC sign the form yes or no?
Floyd's IV cheating should not be conflated with PAC's lies.

The missing checkmark was not a good thing but that does NOT mean that there was no injury. Manny told NSAC that he wanted meds to kill the pain. You do not ask for pain killers unless you have or think the injury may not be fully healed and or can come back during the fight.

Floyd did the same. At least Manny had the meds on the form. Floyd had nothing and the NEVADA SAC didn't know about it until 3 weeks AFTER the fight.

[ADP02]

This will be added to the list of "disregarded facts by ADP02."

I do not have to show anything.

TRAVESTYNY said Manny cannot be swimming. So all I need to point out are the ways that one can swim without putting any damage to the shoulder. How Manny did his exercises is not my concern. Manny has proved to us that what he did helped. Manny came back 1 year later and spanked Bradley.

So now its him and or you that has to come up with evidence. I have a renowned doctor who confirmed that he performed surgery. You have nothing!

[Zaroku]

The missing checkmark was not a good thing but that does NOT mean that there was no injury. Manny told NSAC that he wanted meds to kill the pain. You do not ask for pain killers unless you have or think the injury may not be fully healed and or can come back during the fight.

Floyd did the same. At least Manny had the meds on the form. Floyd had nothing and the NEVADA SAC didn't know about it until 3 weeks AFTER the fight.

So, PAC and his team made a mistake on a legal form required by the NSAC?

Then PAC signed it. A form he had seen many times before, under penalty of perjury. In the biggest fight of his life, PAC forgot to correctly fill out a relatively simple form. He has filled out this form each time he fought in Vegas. You make light of a very important factor.

Instead you make light of the controlling form. PAC is being sued for being dishonest. He is not heroic.



These are simple questions.

Please not, this is the foundation of the class action lawsuit against him.

It is not too complicated.

Back to the lounge or thunderdome.

[travestyny]

Because I have been in the situation as Manny and said the same as he did. I didn't go do rehab but I certainly did my own thing to improve my condition. I did my own exercises and routine. Am I speculating about manny? Nope. Manny said that he did "self rehab"

Swimming: You are still with this and have no evidence of any wrong doing? Well then you need to give it up. Why? because there are ways one can be in the water and not do anything that you are thinking. Manny went scuba diving at sea. That we know. Mann would not have to move his shoulders as what you and those 11 documents state. There is even a video of Manny scuba diving. You see anything that he did that was wrong? So then why are you saying otherwise? When scuba diving you are not swimming like you are at a pool. In a pool, you would use mostly your upper body but when scuba diving, you use your legs mostly.


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I keep on telling you that you cannot do such comparisons and say that Manny should be experiencing the same problems.
I told you that pain does not correlate to tear size. Similarly when discussing a tear and normal function of the shoulder. You introduced other factor on top of that.

"Rotator cuff tears can occur in concert with other shoulder problems, and frequently, the rotator cuff tear is an "innocent bystander" to a more symptomatic problem such as shoulder instability ..... In fact, there are people who have perfectly normal shoulder function despite the fact that they have a rotator cuff tear.... many problems in the shoulder can cause pain or weakness. These things include: instability—subtle dislocation of the shoulder joint"

As for your example, it was " injury was a torn labrum". "The glenoid labrum is a small ring of cartilage that sits between the upper arm and the cup of the shoulder. It adds stability and some measure of cushioning."


So you still have NOTHING!!!! Keep on trucking!!!

So... Just going to avoid my questions completely. Nice.

Game over.

[travestyny]

This will be added to the list of "disregarded facts by ADP02."

I knew he would avoid answering these questions. It's ok. There's no reason to discuss this with him anymore. He's been exposed multiple times.