Comments Thread For: Sugar Ray Leonard: I Told Mayweather I Would Have Beat Him

[Spoon23]

. You are right with this spoon. And of course leonard beats mayweather by TKO ...leonard was way to much for floyd to handle



Tyson style of fighting was based on a young mans style.....he reached pysically maturity at a very young age for a heavyweight , his sole aim on winning was based on explosiveness and to render his opponent uncontious or incapacitate his opponent as quickly as possible and that all to do with his physical attributes at that weight....for instance his reach was the length of a marvin Hagler at middleweight at 75 instead of an 82 reach , his height also was 5ft 11 max....so floyd reached his peak I would 21 or 22 and most probably the night he beat Michael spinks....it's genetics of your body that decides when you are at your prime....for instance you take running most 100 metre runners are powerfull built and short...designed for explosives out the blocks and normally they are more youthful....however a marathon runner will reach maturity at a more mature age say 28 or 30 and they are of slim build for less stress on the joints over a long distance .....so tyson reached his prime at 21 and then because his style fighting his prime was short and there was no way he could have kept his prime for more than 2 or 3 years......so doom spoon is right on this

That was my point. Tyson's prime was when he was young. It's when he was ruthless and was in a string of tear. terrorizing the heavy weight division.

We are on the same page brotha'??

For Doom Specialist prime is in the age - 28-32 up 'only', a fixed variable that can't be altered to go below.

If we follow in Doom specialist thinking of prime, during Tyson's prime years is when he was older and ineffective, and when he the worst which to me, you and others, is NOT ACTUALLY HIS PRIME YEARS.

"At your best" does not mean in your prime. Those aren't interchangeable terms. I take things literally because using words like "prime" and "focused" when referring to athletes actually means something.

[SouthPawHitman]

I don't what that means so I'm taking it as disrespek. Watch yo mouf son

[doom_specialist]

That was my point. Tyson's prime was when he was young. It's when he was ruthless and was in a string of tear. terrorizing the heavy weight division.

We are on the same page brotha'??

For Doom Specialist prime is in the age - 28-32 up 'only', a fixed variable that can't be altered to go below.

If we follow in Doom specialist thinking of prime, during Tyson's prime years is when he was older and ineffective, and when he the worst which to me, you and others, is NOT ACTUALLY HIS PRIME YEARS.

How you're trying to flip this to make it like I said something that I did not is pathetic. That you even keep mentioning my name when I haven't said anything to you is even more pathetic. Our discussion was over yesterday, so stop quoting me, and stop mentioning me and twisting my words. This entire thread is still here for anyone who wants to read what I said, because it definitely is NOT what you're trying to make it. You're the one that said Tyson was past it at 23. Knock it off with your spin-doctoring.

[GodOfBoxing]

SRL SPECIAL! "FUNNY", but if you sent FM back in time to RL time it would still be RL time and FM wouldn't disrupt a thing..

[BillyBoxing]

Welp,looking at your avi tells me that we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I love Duran but let's be honest if you got the reach advantage and use it plus footwork and know when he likes to feint then you can outbox an frustrate Duran.

I'm not a nuthugger, and I could give Floyd a shot.

Duran vs Floyd at 135 might be the greatest fight of all time in terms of level.

Those 2 guys looked just unbeatable at that weight.

Duran lost some fights unlike Floyd.
but unlike Floyd again, he fought true ATGs at WW and MW.

He moved up in weight to fight guys like Hearns, Hearns was 6 inches taller.
It's almost like Kovalev fighting Wilder in terms of size diference.

He gave Hagler one of his hardest fights.

You guys need to understand Duran fought in a better era and always fought the bests (Floyd fought the bests most of his career, but not always at the right time like Duran)

Floyd is the best when it comes to counters,neutralizing his opponents strengths and I think he'll be right in his wheelhouse against Duran.

Yeah, Floyd struggled against those guys but almost all of the legends has fights where they struggled against inferior competition.

Duran was hard to hit himself and was very skilled and a smart guy, Floyd himself ranked Duran as the GOAT (after himself the TBE obviously).

In terms of power, you're talking about manos de piedra, a guy who could drop a middleweight like Barkley, not ****ing Maidana.

We're also talking about a prime Mayweather not the one you've been seeing for the last 9 or 8 years.

I know Duran was a monster at lightweight but Floyd at the lower weights was nearly flawless. He'll have the speed,reach and IQ advantage.

Now what makes it interesting is if Duran can make it an ugly fight like Castillo aND Maidana did.

IQ advantage over Duran? So much of that IQ Floyd stuff, Floyd is a gifted fighter with great tools more than a smart one. He learned everything from his father and uncle, Duran was a profesor of the game, not a student.

Not saying Floyd isn't smart in the ring, he was smart, but IMO just in our era, Ward and Hopkins are smarter than him, but less gifted.

IMO Floyd's kryptonite us guys who throws lots punches, are much bigger than him, uses the jab, get dirty, and those who have some IQ.

I just see Floyd putting on a virtuoso performance where once again he'll get no credit.

Would Duran make it an ugly ugly fight? More than capable tho

[/QUOTE]

Don't fit with Duran?

You really assuming Duran didn't have a jab and ring IQ?

Duran would cut off the ring finding the distance with his jab like Cotto did, but maul Floyd for real against the rope with effective agression.

And believe me, Floyd would have felt those punches.


In terms of demeanor, mentality:
Duran isn't a Baldomir, Ortiz, Berto bum you can fight at your own pace.
But more a bad ass minded guy like Maidana or Castillo who will impose his own will and pace.

[Spoon23]

How you're trying to flip this to make it like I said something that I did not is pathetic. That you even keep mentioning my name when I haven't said anything to you is even more pathetic. Our discussion was over yesterday, so stop quoting me, and stop mentioning me and twisting my words. This entire thread is still here for anyone who wants to read what I said, because it definitely is NOT what you're trying to make it. You're the one that said Tyson was past it at 23. Knock it off with your spin-doctoring.

Lol I just quoted you in my last reply to the other guy. Spiin doctor.

You said prime is always going to be the conventional thinking of what prime years of an athlete is. Which is obviusly meant to be in your mind a fixed variable, which is in the range of a common knowledge of what prime years should be @ 28-32yo.

So tell me why flip Flop mr. Spin Doctor?

Tell me for the record. When was the prime years of Tyson again? At what age is it to be exact?

"At your best" does not mean in your prime. Those aren't interchangeable terms. I take things literally because using words like "prime" and "focused" when referring to athletes actually means something.

[Zaroku]

And all of them avoided Mike McCallum and Julian "Hawk" Jackson

Can't argue with that. Those two put fools to sleep.

[doom_specialist]

Lol I just quoted you in my last reply to the other guy. Spiin doctor.

You said prime is always going to be the conventional thinking of what prime years of an athlete is. Which is obviusly meant to be in your mind a fixed variable, which is in the range of a common knowledge of what prime years should be @ 28-32yo.

So tell me why flip Flop mr. Spin Doctor?

Tell me for the record. When was the prime years of Tyson again? At what age is it to be exact?

Still trying to put words in my mouth I see. I'm not even gonna bother. Again, this thread is here for anyone to read what I said without you trying to twist my words. Just leave me out of your comments.

[BillyBoxing]

They were not the Top 2 Welterweights.

2006
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
1. Antonio Margarito
2. Carlos Manuel Baldomir
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Zab Judah
5. Luis Collazo
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Oktay Urkal
8. Arturo Gatti
9. Paul Williams
10. Joshua Clottey

Fought Judah then Baldomir instead of the number one contender Margo.

2007 ring mag
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion
1.Miguel Cotto
2. Paul Williams
3. Shane Mosley
4. Antonio Margarito
5. Zab Judah
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Luis Collazo
8. Joshua Clottey
9. Jackson Osei Bonsu
10. Oktay Urkal

Fought Fatton instead (DLH was a big money fight in another division).

2008

Title vacated by FMJ
1. Antonio Margarito
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Carlos Quintana
7. Zab Judah
8. Luis Collazo
9. Andre Berto
10. Isaac Hlatshwayo

Retired

No margo fight....

[Spoon23]

Still trying to put words in my mouth I see. I'm not even gonna bother. Again, this thread is here for anyone to read what I said without you trying to twist my words. Just leave me out of your comments.

By the way, I'm not putting words in your mouth bud. I'm actually giving you a chance to answer here.

So tell me mr. Spin Doctor.

It's a simple question.

Tell me for the record. When was the prime years of Tyson again? At what age is it to be exact?

"At your best" does not mean in your prime. Those aren't interchangeable terms. I take things literally because using words like "prime" and "focused" when referring to athletes actually means something.