The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[Zaroku]

Wrong! Its not that simple. I said it that I'm no expert and from the posts hear, its safe to say that most are not either.

According to doctors, the level of the pain does not necessarily correlate to the degree of the tear. A mild strain or partial tear can be more painful than a large tear.


Manny didn't say it? Manny's team said it BEFORE the fight to the NSAC.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
This **** is so ****** at this point. Hahahahahahaha

[ADP02]

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
This **** is so ****** at this point. Hahahahahahaha

Hey Zaroku, how goes it?

This guy has no real concrete evidence. He talks about swimming but has nothing about Manny! lol

Talks about Manny's workouts but they mean nothing too.

He had a picture of Manny holding a flag which he read that it was 1 month after surgery and he believed it. I debunked it.

Talks about how impossible it is but when I show them what doctor's say, they get quiet and pretend they "missed my post"

[Zaroku]

Hey Zaroku, how goes it?

This guy has no real concrete evidence. He talks about swimming but has nothing about Manny! lol

Talks about Manny's workouts but they mean nothing too.

He had a picture of Manny holding a flag which he read that it was 1 month after surgery and he believed it. I debunked it.

Talks about how impossible it is but when I show them what doctor's say, they get quiet and pretend they "missed my post"

Keep up the good fight. Great stuff!

[ADP02]

Keep up the good fight. Great stuff!

Thanks......

[Real King Kong]

You said you had a torn rotator cuff and claimed it prevented you from punching. FLoyd had one too. It did not stop him from punching.

As I pointed out already, according to a doctor that I quoted,
the pain that you have does NOT necessarily correlate to the degree of the tear that you have. So your logic is a FAIL and that is why I'm laughing at some Floyd internet doctors that think they are expert on this subject but they are not.

A large tear can have mild pain while an partial tear or even just aggravating it can be much more painful.


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Well you shouldn't be laughing any "internet doctors" when you are doing the exact same thing but it's ok for you to do it cuz it gives you a reason pac lost, which makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Do you really believe pac entered the fight with a torn rotator cuff...or is cognitive dissonance not allowing you to come off it since you've already taken the position of defending him at all cost? Just for a second, entertain the thought that pac and his team are sore losers who are full of ****.

[ADP02]

Well you shouldn't be laughing any "internet doctors" when you are doing the exact same thing but it's ok for you to do it cuz it gives you a reason pac lost, which makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Do you really believe pac entered the fight with a torn rotator cuff...or is cognitive dissonance not allowing you to come off it since you've already taken the position of defending him at all cost? Just for a second, entertain the thought that pac and his team are sore losers who are full of ****.

At least I admit it and actually do some research. Your logic does NOT even make sense!!!

Here is your logic and some others that I read here like "TheRealPugilist
"I had a tear too and it hurt too much. I cannot believe Manny can throw punches like he did and without showing visual pain when throwing them punches."

BUT then I remind you "Floyd threw 297 jabs and numerous other left punches when he supposedly tore his rotator cuff"

Back to you. You respond: "Its different"

Sorry but your point was that you cannot throw them punches without showing visual pain but now its different because its your hero Floyd. BAD logic.

but at least I did the research to point out that pain does NOT correlate to degree of the injury. You just based it on your own experience BUT only used it for Manny, not Floyd!!!

[travestyny]

I told you that just because he did not spar 3 times, it does not mean he did nothing.
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Just consider this honestly!

The sparring partner said Pac was doing so well that he would end the fight by KO. That was April 3rd.

Pac's next sparring session was April 4th. On April 7th, it was stated that he did very well in his sparring sessions the first week of April.

He took off April 7th, because Roach said he didn't want him to overtrain. It could have been because of an injury suffered on April 4th? This HAD TO BE THE DAY that the supposed injury occurred because it is the last day he sparred before missing sparring.

He missed sparring for one week, which was 3 days: April 7th, April 9th, and April 11th.

April 9th was smack in the middle of the sparring misses. Now look at the video ON APRIL 9th. Does his shoulder look hurt? Second, look at the picture. WHY WERE HIS HANDS WRAPPED. WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WASN'T GOING TO PUNCH SOMETHING. Again...WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WASN'T GOING TO PUNCH A BAG, A MITT, A PERSON?

When USADA showed up that day and took 4 vials of blood, that's when sparring was canceled, AS WAS STATED AT THAT TIME That's the only scenario that makes sense. You can say he wasn't going to spar, but does it make it better that he was going to punch a bag? Come onnnnn, man. Be honest!!!!!!!! This is the biggest piece of evidence that he is lying!!!

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WHY WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WAS INJURED ON APRIL 3RD AND HAD NO INTENTIONS OF HURTING HIS SHOULDER MORE???? WHY WAS IT REPORTED THAT HE WAS SET TO SPAR? WHY WAS HE DOING ROAD WORK WITH SPARRING PARTNERS? YOU DON'T WRAP HANDS UNLESS THERE IS PUNCHING INVOLVED!!!!!! IT WAS REPORTED THAT HE WOULD SPAR UNTIL USADA CAME AND TOOK BLOOD!

He was going to spar that day. This is complete utter bull****, and you have not "debunked it." You said "debunking is fun." DEBUNK IT, PLEASE!!!!!

[travestyny]

Not sure if you did it intentionally but it stands!

DEBUNKED #5: The first quote came BEFORE Manny's injury. So of course he felt really good about Manny's chances.

I'VE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS BEFORE THE INJURY. BUT THAT IS WHERE YOU GET INTO TROUBLE. THAT LEAVES ONLY ONE DAY FOR MANNY'S "INJURY TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE, " BUT WHERE YOU **** UP IS THAT HIS HANDS ARE WRAPPED AND READY TO GO FOR SPARRING/PUNCHING(IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO DEFLECT) ON APRIL 9TH.

Here is Arum saying Manny was 100% going into the fight and did very well in sparring 2 weeks before the fight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXqrYX71g38

This is all utter bull**** on the part of his team! Face it.

He did NOT miss sparring because of an injury. He was ready to spar and that's why his hands were wrapped!!!! You don't wrap hands not to punch.

IF THE HANDS ARE WRAPPED, THE SHOULDER WAS INTACT!
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I'M JUST SAYING, BRO? YOU DON'T WRAP HANDS IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PUNCH!!! AM I WRONG? IF SO, DEBUNK IT!

[travestyny]

We get it you don't like manny PAC

I seriously and honestly don't have a problem with Manny Pacquaio. He is one of the greatest boxers of my generation and I have enjoyed his fights. As a boxing fan, I also LOVE to watch him on the heavy bag. I'm a Mayweather fan, but his heavybag work is just that. Work. Pacquaio on the heavy bag...the thudding sound and the speed. That's f*king pure awe I feel when I witness that.

However, I simply don't agree with him lying and putting up this excuse! It's sickening. He lost and there is no shame in it. The fight wasn't close, and was close at the same time. He didn't lose the rounds by a lot, but he clearly lost a vast majority of the rounds.

He should have just given credit where it is due. Instead, this excuse is cowardly. I don't respect that at all.


Pacquaio on the bag in April 2015. A thing of beauty...NO SHOULDER INJURY.

[Real King Kong]

At least I admit it and actually do some research. Your logic does NOT even make sense!!!

Here is your logic and some others that I read here like "TheRealPugilist
"I had a tear too and it hurt too much. I cannot believe Manny can throw punches like he did and without showing visual pain when throwing them punches."

BUT then I remind you "Floyd threw 297 jabs and numerous other left punches when he supposedly tore his rotator cuff"

Back to you. You respond: "Its different"

Sorry but your point was that you cannot throw them punches without showing visual pain but now its different because its your hero Floyd. BAD logic.

but at least I did the research to point out that pain does NOT correlate to degree of the injury. You just based it on your own experience BUT only used it for Manny, not Floyd!!!

I said nothing about floyd, other than i don't know what his alleged injury was. I thought floyd lost the first Castillo fight. Why do you get hung up on thinking everyone is out to defend floyd? i said manny showed no signs of injury, be it pain, limited motion or otherwise. I mean what are you really trying to argue here? You're basically saying you can have a torn rotator cuff with no ill effects at all...so what does it matter if he did then?