The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[travestyny]

I said nothing about floyd, other than i don't know what his alleged injury was. I thought floyd lost the first Castillo fight. Why do you get hung up on thinking everyone is out to defend floyd? i said manny showed no signs of injury, be it pain, limited motion or otherwise. I mean what are you really trying to argue here? You're basically saying you can have a torn rotator cuff with no ill effects at all...so what does it matter if he did then?

Lots of these guys are critical of so many things. They criticize anyone even questioning Pacquaio's injury and refuse to even admit that the circumstances make it su****ious. They criticize Floyd's shoulder injury, which is not even relevant here. They accuse me of not liking Pac. I was even told I'm doing this just because I want Floyd to have full credit for the victory, as if that is a bad thing.

They criticize everything, but they are unwilling to look at the circumstances with an unbiased eye and criticize Manny. I guess that makes sense to them somehow.

[travestyny]

"The gloves" - I already said it. So what. It may be that they were too have a mitts session or one on one with Roach but not sparring .... or Manny's injury inflamed and said lets skip it. YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW!

If you know, that is what we want to see. Not a video! lol!
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More evidence for you to consider:

Manny first missed sparring on Tuesday, April 7th. Roach claimed that this was just to give him a break, but after the fight they said it was because of the injury.

However, here is what happened on the next day, Wednesday, April 8th:

"After a rest day, Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao was back in the ring Wednesday, hitting the mitts for 12 rounds."

"I thought he was overdoing it a little bit, so we had a day off," chief trainer Freddie Roach explained. "Today, we opened the gates, and he kicked my a**. I must have gotten hit with a thousand and two punches today."
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/09...r-one-day-rest

Sounds like someone who was ready to postpone the fight after an injury on April 4th??? What do you think? The next day he had his hands wrapped ready to spar. Is that consistent with this injury putting this fight in jeopardy? Answer honestly!!!

[GTTofAK]

Why wouldn't people believe it when a surgeon vouched for him? I personally don't believe it cuz I've had a torn rottor cuff and i couldn't throw punches without my body instinctively limiting my motion to protect itself from pain.

Thats because you are a *****.

[GTTofAK]

[B]There was no tear. I couldnt play a full game of basketball let alone spar or hit my heavy bag 12 rounds with a rotator cuff strain.

Again that is because you too are a *****.

[travestyny]

Thats because you are a *****.

Come on, man. Is that really necessary? Can't we keep this to discussing the merits of the thread?

You voted that this was a full-thickness rotator cuff surgery. You even claim to be somewhat of an expert on rotator cuffs, from what I've seen. Can you explain what about this situation makes you think it was a full-thickness tear? Can you go swimming in the sea nearly immediately and use that as the main rehabilitation method after full-thickness rotator cuff surgery? Your expert knowledge is needed on this topic.

[GTTofAK]

Floyd is another matter altogether, but think about it: If Floyd paid off USADA, why would he have to mask PED use?

Because USADA owns no labs. They are a collection and compliance agency. They cant fake the test results becuase they dont do the tests.

Why would he even need a TUE?

Because USADA leaks like a siv. The rank and file aren't the ones being paid off with big bonuses its the executives are. The rank and file have been leaking positive test results to the media for awhile like Morales positive test results for clen. They did a quick TUE because they feared another leak to the press.

Why would the use be revealed to Pacquaio? These are questions that don't add up.

Because they had to once the issued the TUE.

[GTTofAK]

Come on, man. Is that really necessary? Can't we keep this to discussing the merits of the thread?

You voted that this was a full-thickness rotator cuff surgery. You even claim to be somewhat of an expert on rotator cuffs, from what I've seen. Can you explain what about this situation makes you think it was a full-thickness tear? Can you go swimming in the sea nearly immediately and use that as the main rehabilitation method after full-thickness rotator cuff surgery? Your expert knowledge is needed on this topic.

Simple full thickness tears are always less painful. You are more able to engage in physical activity with a full tear than you are a partial tear. When you have a partial tear of any tissue its is far more painful than a full tear because its continuing to tear. This is not a hard concept.

My senior year of high school wrestling a suffered a full tear of my rib cartilage from the sternum to the the abdomen. It hurt but I was able to finish the season. Our heavyweight suffered a tear of the same cartilage only an inch long. He couldn't finish the season. Why? Because it was only a partial tear so any activity continued to tear it.

The same holds true for rotator cuffs partial tears a far more painful than full tears because any activity continues to tear the muscle.

[travestyny]

Because USADA owns no labs. They are a collection and compliance agency. They cant fake the test results becuase they dont do the tests.



Because USADA leaks like a siv. The rank and file aren't the ones being paid off with big bonuses its the executives are. The rank and file have been leaking positive test results to the media for awhile like Morales positive test results for clen. They did a quick TUE because they feared another leak to the press.



Because they had to once the issued the TUE.

So you are saying that they couldn't warn Mayweather about when the collectors were coming? They couldn't have arranged for DCO's to stay away while he was taking the IV? This doesn't make sense at all. So many people have accused Mayweather of paying off USADA. What exactly would he be paying for then? Sounds like a huge waste of money, no?

[New England]

i'd pick manny to lose to floyd mayweather at any weight. he's too long, too sharp, and he counters too well. it's a bad style for manny in addition to the natural difference of several weight classes during most of their careers.

pacquiao started out at 106 lbs. he was a world champion at flyweight, FFS. flyweights are too small to get on TV. i don't think most people have the exposure to that division to understand what it means to move up all the way from flyweight to WW and fight at the championship level. it has never been done, and it's possible that it will never be done again.

even in a ficticious world, where pacquiao and floyd are both natural welterweights, i'd lean on floyd beating him. styles make fights, and while i think floyd's resume is markedly worse than pacquiao's, i do think he's the more able fighter head to head.

[travestyny]

Simple full thickness tears are always less painful. You are more able to engage in physical activity with a full tear than you are a partial tear. When you have a partial tear of any tissue its is far more painful than a full tear because its continuing to tear. This is not a hard concept.

My senior year of high school wrestling a suffered a full tear of my rib cartilage from the sternum to the the abdomen. It hurt but I was able to finish the season. Our heavyweight suffered a tear of the same cartilage only an inch long. He couldn't finish the season. Why? Because it was only a partial tear so any activity continued to tear it.

The same holds true for rotator cuffs partial tears a far more painful than full tears because any activity continues to tear the muscle.

Ok. Pacquaio went into the ring without the shoulder being fully torn. At that point, it was at most a partial tear, I would think. He said he was fine until the 3rd round (later changed this to the 4th round. Perhaps he was confused, which is fine). Then he tore it completely, according to him. At that point, he said:

"It felt like a needle was being stuck into my shoulder. I backed off because of the pain."

Most of the evidence that people list about living with this injury and having it not be painful is not about being engaged in a professional fight and throwing punches for 12 rounds. Also, his rehabilitation doesn't fit the protocol according to numerous documents I've listed. That's all I'm saying. Isn't this even a little bit su****ious, or no?

Also, the surgeon mentioned it was 1 tendon completely torn, and about half of another one.