The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[SthPaw]

It doesn't really matter anymore. Whatever happened is whatever happened and us guys going back and forth on a boxing forum online won't give a final verdict of events. Peoples opinions will always be split on this, but like I said, it doesn't really matter anymore.

The next era of fighters is warming up, or at least if it isn't, then it is beginning too. New era leaders are emerging. New controversies to divide opinions on. New large scale fanbases forming. New huge fights being called for. Even the attention of casuals is moving onto different fighters/fights/topics...

May/Pac where the figurehead fighters of their generation and where on course to fight for years - they eventually fought - they have since retired. Between those two fighters its done with man.

[Tago Nang Tago]

" Meh Name is Manny Pacquaio, I hab discobbered a new terapy for ailment. My new patented sea salt terapy. It is the new Epson Salt and woks in no time!"

you literally just said it wasnt about race and now ur mocking an asian accent pretending to say what pacquiao would say. see, its all about race with u gremlins.

[lacson]

It does not matter what I think. It does not matter what anyone else thinks. The only opinion that matters is the expert's opinion and that is the doctor's opinion.

Case closed.

Some of you might believe Mailignaggi's own scientific opinion on everything including PEDs and rotator cuffs injury. This Malignaggi guy actually believes there are legal PEDs and that what he himself was taking from Heredia were legal PEDs. So take that for what it is.

[ADP02]

Why wouldn't people believe it when a surgeon vouched for him? I personally don't believe it cuz I've had a torn rottor cuff and i couldn't throw punches without my body instinctively limiting my motion to protect itself from pain. I know everyone is different but pac didn't show any signs at all. I feel like pac and his whole camp are dishonest...it's not hard for me to doubt him. Anyone with a history of making excuses for losses and not giving his opponent credit, shows a lack of character and it wouldn't be a far stretch to imbelish an injury.

Interesting...not sure what floyds injury has to do with this. it's amusing the lengths you will go to defend pac. there have been fighters who have fought with rotator cuff tears before, like holyfield and berto...but i still don't believe pac cuz he's a known sore loser.

I was talking about my own experience. Did floyd claim to have a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff? Pac didn't show any signs of a hurt shoulder whatsoever...i believe he embellished any injury he may have had as an excuse for losing. Classless imo...and it wasn't the first time. You would at least acknowledge that if you weren't latched onto pacs nutsack.

You said you had a torn rotator cuff and claimed it prevented you from punching. FLoyd had one too. It did not stop him from punching.

As I pointed out already, according to a doctor that I quoted,
the pain that you have does NOT necessarily correlate to the degree of the tear that you have. So your logic is a FAIL and that is why I'm laughing at some Floyd internet doctors that think they are expert on this subject but they are not.

A large tear can have mild pain while an partial tear or even just aggravating it can be much more painful.


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[ADP02]

I'm still waiting for one of the posters to explain to me what happened on Thursday, April 9th in Manny's camp, since some of you often mention him missing sparring as a reason to believe him.

He went on a morning run with sparring partners and his shoulder looked fine as he threw punches. Here is the evidence:
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When he returned from the morning workout, he WRAPPED HIS HANDS. I don't have to tell you that you don't wrap your hands unless you are planning to hit something. Here is the evidence.
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April 9th is also the day that USADA visited and took 4 vials of blood.

"He was supposed to spar, but while Pacquiao was in the Wild Card Gym of trainer Freddie Roach, the US Anti Doping Agency technicians showed up and extracted four vials of blood."

Bob Arum: “Since it took a while to get it done, Freddie (Roach) asked Manny to take off,” said Arum

http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/article/174560

Someone please explain why he was wrapped up and ready to spar, but later claimed that he didn't spar because of a shoulder injury. Does this make sense, people????? Look at the video of his workout and think about it.

Explain it to you? Why should we explain when just like you THOUGHT you knew that Manny was WAVING a flag 1 month out after surgery?



So that is what we can explain to you. You have no clue!!! Yet you think you do. That is the problem AGAIN!!!

Just because he didn't spar it does not necessarily mean that they didn't do anything or even that the articles are accurate just like the flag article that said "Manny must be healing well" and we all know that YOU RAN WITH THAT!!!

Remember that YOU and I and anyone posting does not know exactly nor can we have an accurate timeline of when Manny was injured unless they told us. You are playing detective and thinking that they are trying to hide something but think for a second. You and others went on about that Flag. You said for that and other points, "well if not true, why does Manny not speak up?". Well, I told you, he does not care what you think. Remember?
Then I prove to you about the flag story was fake and it proves my point. Manny and his team do not care ...... maybe because whatever he would do it would NOT matter. There would always be people like you that would not matter.

Now to go back to your story, I told you that just because he did not spar 3 times, it does not mean he did nothing. He may have tried it out by then with meds, or just to see if its better or maybe just to throw reporters off. Who knows. Right? They were supposed to pick up the intensity according to some articles and I just had 10 viles of blood removed and then went out for a 3 hour workout. While I know for a fact that it does affect some people more than others but to miss another session for 4 viles, I do not think so. BUT the point is, they would not be telling the public the truth! So why are you reading that and thinking its a fact? Kinda weird!

"The gloves" - I already said it. So what. It may be that they were too have a mitts session or one on one with Roach but not sparring .... or Manny's injury inflamed and said lets skip it. YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW!

If you know, that is what we want to see. Not a video! lol!


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[Chuckguy]

There is so much evidence that it's astounding. This was NOT a full thickness rotator cuff tear!

We get it you don't like manny PAC

[ADP02]

im basing it off what I saw in the ring. Did he fight like his shoulder was injured in any round?

was there any indication of pain?

did he get a rub down?

Im not basing it just on my experience but people I know, athletes ive seen with similar injuries, and people who fought through injuries mid fight

its simple.....a tear is severe, a strain is mild....so this guy had a severe shoulder tear.....after the fight, his adrenaline was down when he was interviewed and didnt even mention it to max kellerman. They conveniently wait til the post fight conference. Now he is holding his arm complaining.

I bet you are done with me because the severity of the injure was clearly fabricated so he could save face.

Wrong! Its not that simple. I said it that I'm no expert and from the posts hear, its safe to say that most are not either.

According to doctors, the level of the pain does not necessarily correlate to the degree of the tear. A mild strain or partial tear can be more painful than a large tear.


Manny didn't say it? Manny's team said it BEFORE the fight to the NSAC.

[ADP02]

How wrong you are. If you did some research, you would know that Manny was sparring on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. He first missed sparring on Tuesday, April 7th.

This is what was said on the week that he missed sparring:
Last week, the fighting congressman did up to 10 rounds of sparring

The statement made by the sparring partner was on April 3rd, correct? This is the week that the above statement is referring to!

Now look at a calendar. That leaves one sparring session for that week. Saturday, April 5th. We know he did sparring that day because as I said, he first missed on April 7th. The cause, as I mentioned, to prevent overtraining. That would seem like it could be a coverup for an injury that wasn't to be disclosed.

But there there is this on the second day he missed. Thursday, April 9th.

Not sure if you did it intentionally but it stands!

DEBUNKED #5: The first quote came BEFORE Manny's injury. So of course he felt really good about Manny's chances.

[Zaroku]

Who cares?

Exactly!
On another topic.. Jhonny wants to catch you slipping.
That photo scared him, so now he is plotting against you.
As long as your powerful pit protects you, you are safe.

[ADP02]

So are you saying that Kobe is unable to shoot with his left arm? Do you think he wouldn't have been on the court shooting and dribbling with his left. This is KOBE BRYANT who is a fierce competitor. So he holds back, and Manny goes balls to the wall. Nah, I doubt that. It's disrespectful to the black mamba.

Kobe had full thickness rotator cuff surgery -- First shoots 7 months after surgery.



Kobe first shoots in 7 months. Pacquaio back playing contact basketball in under 6 months!

Fierce competitor? Yes, Kobe actually admitted to playing with the injury for a long time but there is a difference.

but you missed out this very important point:

KOBE is right handed and hurt his right shoulder.

Kobe would need to use his strong arm to shoot.

Manny on the other hand throws with his opposite arm not his injured arm. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Apples and oranges.

So the force is not put on his healing arm for Manny. All one can say is that there can be a risk but that is Manny. While getting you that flag evidence, I saw Manny running down a hill which looked dangerous enough to cause injury. That was just before the FLoyd fight. So that is how Manny rolls sometimes.


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