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Since last year's retirement of Floyd Mayweather Jr., the pound-for-pound debate has continued to play out among experts and fans alike.
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Ward is about to fight arguably the baddest man in boxing and yet this thread will be filled with people hating on him -
Props to Ward for chasing a fight with Kovalev! This is what champs do!Comment
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No hate from me on this subject. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Kovalev as I'm a sucker for the crowd-pleasing knockout but Ward deserves all the respect in the world for taking the fight and he wouldn't do so if he didn't think he could win.Originally posted by bluebeam View Post
I'll always root for the puncher over a spoiler and it's marginally easier to be a defensive fighter than offensive but it doesn't belittle the skill or achievement.
Sometimes a win is the only goal.Comment
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wait.....there is always silence before the big ***** storm. Be lucky to make it past page 2 without ridiculousnessOriginally posted by bluebeam View PostComment
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I don't think Ward gets much hate. what he does get is a lot of people expressing frustration with the way he has squandered his huge talents and stalled what could have been one of the greatest ever careers. He hasn't made things any easier on himself by talking out his ass more often than is good for him. He is apparently tone deaf as to how his constant whining will be received so his team should do more to shut him up and just get him in the ring. In the ring he's an artist. With a mike in his hand he keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Comment
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When Malignaggi opens his mouth, the ridiculousness has already begun.Originally posted by therealpugilist View PostComment
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Originally posted by petegrif View Post
How has he squandered his career? He did what a man is supposed to do. If you dont like your current situation, you change it. He wanted out of his contract with goosen and he was willing to sit out until it happened. That's what men do. Stand on what they believe in regardless if it's the popular thing to do or not. He got his wish.
now he is with roc nation who is paying him more than he was gonna make with goosen tutor and he is about to fight the toughest fight possible.
People don't hate ward cause he sat out for 2 yrs. They hate ward because he is a threat to their favorite fightersComment
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I won't say that a lot of people hate on Andre Ward, but I do think there is a lot of under appreciation for his skill set. Ward might be best at explaining this phenomena:
June 3, 2011:
by Raymond Markarian
Thomas Hauser wrote, “In boxing, the better fighter beats the more exciting fighter almost every time.” He was illustrating his point in a post fight description of Floyd Mayweather’s sixth round knockout over Arturo Gatti. The story focused on the comments made by both combatants during the buildup of the fight. Before the bout Mayweather said, “I'm not going to let some guy beat my brains out. The name of the game is to hit and not get hit. The less you get hit, the longer you last in this sport. I'm not in this sport to see how hard I can get hit or to see how many big punches I can take. That's what he does."
Arturo responded with, “Floyd talks a big game, but he's never fought anyone who hits as hard as me. When I punch my opponents, I hurt them. People fall down when I hit them, and he's going to walk into it. The only thing he has over me is speed. We'll see what happens when speed and power go against each other."
Well, power does not work in boxing if your target has enough ability to get out of the way. When looking at differing viewpoints closely, Mayweather was saying that he was going to win by out-boxing Arturo Gatti. And the result of the contest was one of the most lopsided PPV bouts in recent memory. But it was also one of the most overlooked fights of Mayweather’s career because it looked too easy.
Describing a victory in boxing is complicated. Mayweather is 41-0 and has been justifiably wobbled by only two punches (thrown by Shane Mosley) since he fought DeMarcus Corley back in 2004. But he is considered soft to some viewers because he refuses to engage in a test of chins.
Today, Andre Ward is falling into the same Mayweather mold of misinterpretation. I addressed the issues of criticism with the super middleweight champion over the phone last week...
Maybe the way an average fight fan views a fight compared to a world class boxer is completely different. It could be that most of us don’t see what the fighters see because we have not stepped foot in the ring.
Ward has his own assessment. “I think it is a combination of things. It depends on how long the person has been a boxing fan. If you were a boxing fan that follows the fighters from the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s, I think that those guys tend to appreciate the sweet science a lot more. They are able to see what you need to see in the game of boxing as a whole. But if you just became a fan a few years ago, with the rise of the MMA, you might be looking for some sort of tough man competition. I respect MMA a great deal. I watch it and appreciate the sport, but boxing is much different...”
There is a difference between outclassing and outpunching your opponents. Fighters like Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, and Andre Ward understand that. Why can’t we?
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Originally posted by monkeyboy View Post
I respect you picking kovalev. I think it's a 50/50 fight. And I will happily spend 70 dollars to see it in november. This is the definition of the best fighting the best
But a win should be the only goal. Win this one look good in the next one. That's the old boxing cliché.
"You would rather lose and look good, rather than look bad and win"
Billy Hoyle (white man can't jump)Comment
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