American boxing is dead

[Tom Cruise]

Yeah right, Hearn. Your top guys are bummy as fuck. Degayle? Kelly Brook? Anthony Juice-ua? Hot garbage.

Why does it matter how the UK is doing?

If anything the fact that we are having so much success without really improving the level of talent is showing how the standards have dropped over the years.

[SterlingStained]

errol spence, terrence crawford, and wilder.

somebody always comes along. there are boxers/fighters you have never heard of that will be coming up.

America has a culture of fighting and war mongering.

somebody will always rise.

[Eff Pandas]

I think Floyd's outside the ring business moves and in the ring unwillingness to engage in big fights has severely hurt the sport. Yes, it made Mayweather the most financially compensated athlete in boxing history, but hurt the sport. His ideas have also been infectious with boxings newest generation taking heed after him.

Again, imagine if Ali said he couldn't fight Foreman because Foreman lives to far or isn't a PPV star or he thought Foreman was on the juice because he was knocking everyone out in his path.

Or imagine if Tyson never fought Holyfield because {insert your excuse}

You are talking about a tiny lil corner of boxing & acting like its this horrible act thats hurting everything in the world of boxing. Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off was worse for boxing then anything Floyd has done I'd argue. Hell most people didn't even know who the f#ck Floyd was til 2007 when he fought Oscar. Saying he destroyed American boxing in the 8 years people knew who he was is ridiculous. And like I said if he did, how f#cked up was US boxing already to get destroyed in 8 years like you are claiming?

US boxing has way more structural problems with a lack of gyms & promoters marinating every single half decent fight in this era of hearing a song you like for the first time & downloading onto your phone to listen to it for years to come 15 seconds later. This is the give it to me now era & GBP is talking about wouldn't you rather see GGG vs Canelo in May 2017 & if I wanna hit the nearest heavybag that isn't my own I gotta go to a MMA gym.

[Eff Pandas]

Besides I'm not sure what youre talking about when you say it's not as ****ty in the US as it used to be. It's worse than it used to be.

Definitely disagree with this. Its much better & there are more resources then ever. I used to hear older people talking & younger people coming up back in the day talking about living without electric or running water ffs. Robbing stores for food. **** like that. Nowadays I hear people crying cuz their electric got turned off for the weekend & **** like that while they got government money every month & watch Game of Thrones on HBO. If you are poor being poor in the US in 2016 isn't anything like being poor in the US when this last era of boxers were coming up in the 1970's & 1980's & don't even get me started about what the guys coming up in the 50's & 60's went thru who grew up harshly. This is the most pussified era in US history. And thats great overall. The more pussified things get the more it means the last era did their job, but it isn't something that breeds many warriors.

And how do you explain boxing not having changed at all (for the worse, it might actually have improved) in the UK or Germany?

No f#cking clue what another country has to do with the US when it comes to the pussification of the US. Like I said to the other guy its all relative. Poor people in the US probably don't got a f#cking clue about how much better off they'd be in the UK or Germany if that is indeed a fact cuz idk I just know I see "poor" people talking about new movies, **** on cable, driving any sort of car sometimes, rent to owning some giant TV or furniture or whatever. Thats not coming up in a very tough or non-pussified way. If the Torsten May grew up back in the day in a castle so be it. Maybe the German mindset or the German people are different idk. I don't live there. I just know the US mindset & US people. And more US people than ever are soft as baby **** or the hard ones are locked up like never before.

Secondly no, I'm talking about the heavyweights. Of course those guys are going into football and basketball, of course they're missing in boxing. Do you honestly think that somebody who is 7 feet tall, ubergifted and whanot, he's gonna take up boxing? Please. Of course he's gonna play basketball. What about smaller guys, like Mike Tyson? They go into football or wrestling because that's the **** they offer to you in school, it's convenient. They force you to do that ****, you don't just show up there whenever you feel like it. In order to get into boxing you either have to have a dad push you that way or you're one of those rare people that actually figured it out on your own.

I don't disagree with this I just don't think its a great number of people we are talking about. And I'd say thats cuz their soft (bringing up my previous point) &/or making a money decision too. If your pussified what would you rather do? Of the choices Boxing is coming in 3rd vs Football with that helmet or basketball with lil to worry about 99% of the time. And if you're looking at money all are long shots, but you can be the 700th best guy in the NFL & I believe you are making 6 digits/minimum. Good luck making 5 digits if you are the 700th best boxer.

[-Kev-]

Aren't Americans neck and neck with British boxers as far as number of champions? And British boxing supposedly more popular than American boxing, but they're neck and neck in titlists. So what that says is that the US is blooming only when they're absolutely on top of boxing by a wide margin?

[A.K]

These questions will be answered this summer at the olympics

[Combat Talk Radio]

How do you go from Mike Tyson, Hagler, Holyfield, Bowe & all these beasts to whatever the hell you're producing right now?

With the exception of Rid**** Bowe, you called out fighters who excelled during an era where steroid use was more blatant and abundant.

As far as Bowe, what's he really known for? Throwing a title in the trash to duck his mandatory and being involved in two fights that resulted in riots, one of which I'm surprised didn't make him sterile.

[Cutthroat]

Boxing isn't nearly as popular as it once was but you're starting to see a lot of Mexican American talent and they look pretty legit.

Mario Barrios, David Benavidez, Joseph Diaz, Frankie Gomez, etc.

Many people don't realize our hispanic population is 55 million, we've got a very diverse country not just black/white.

You've also got guys like Julian Williams, Crawford, Spence, Wilder, Thurman etc.

[Dean_Razorback]

It starts with the amateur system. The last gold medalist was Ward in 2004. It's no coincidence he's the last special fighter that's come from here.

US greats of the past were great amateurs:

Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Leonard
Holyfield
Whitaker
Jones Jr.
Mayweather
De La Hoya
Ward

All Olympic medalists. Ali, Leonard, Whitaker, Jones and Mayweather were each long reigning top p4p fighters and had stellar amateur careers.

It just goes to show you, most ATGs that came from the USA were the product of a strong farm system. We've lost that and it's apparent when you look at the current landscape.

i agree with this. with the rich history you guys have the fact that in the last 3 olympics you only got one gold medal in boxing is really strange.

[Chollo Vista]

You are talking about a tiny lil corner of boxing & acting like its this horrible act thats hurting everything in the world of boxing. Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off was worse for boxing then anything Floyd has done I'd argue. Hell most people didn't even know who the f#ck Floyd was til 2007 when he fought Oscar. Saying he destroyed American boxing in the 8 years people knew who he was is ridiculous. And like I said if he did, how f#cked up was US boxing already to get destroyed in 8 years like you are claiming?

US boxing has way more structural problems with a lack of gyms & promoters marinating every single half decent fight in this era of hearing a song you like for the first time & downloading onto your phone to listen to it for years to come 15 seconds later. This is the give it to me now era & GBP is talking about wouldn't you rather see GGG vs Canelo in May 2017 & if I wanna hit the nearest heavybag that isn't my own I gotta go to a MMA gym.

Tyson biting Holyfield's ear was a way out from frustration from being headbutted. The fact that Tyson-Holyfield II was made is better than all of the Mayweather fights that didn't get made when they should have.

Kathy Duva said it best:

"Don King and Bob Arum and Dan Duva hated each other and let me tell you, I lived through it," she said. "No one hated each other with more passion than those three men during the late '80s and in the '90s. But when they said they had a deal, they had a deal. And the fights got made, because in the end, they wanted the sport to thrive."

The fights got made because they wanted the sport to thrive.

You look at Stevenson-Kovalev, GGG-Canelo, May-Pac (outside PED testing), etc. You have a lot of big boxing matches not getting made because of either business or guys simply wanting to prolong their career.

Mayweather said it best:

"I've set the model of showing fighters how they should conduct their business."